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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    So you say, but conflating the difference between a Gangster, who murdered two policemen in cold blood, with a law abiding gun owner is not credible on it's face. He died a coward anyway by taking his own life, which saved the police a couple of rounds and a lot of paperwork. He was just a thug and a pussy in the end.
    Which is why he owned a gun in the first place.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's absurd.
    Because it busts your little game of ignoring reality to suit your passive defense of all things anti-police. Are you denying it was the mayor that ordered the crackdown on illegal street sales? Are you denying the mayor's subsequent throw them to the wolves stance, avoiding any mention that he was responsible for the crackdown to begin with? Are you denying that factors in to anti-police sentiment?

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    When did he say this? Was he interrogated by ouija board?
    He tweeted two messages before he executed Liu and Ramos. That's when he said it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you believe cops get a fair shake currently?
    As long as their rights aren't compromised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Which is why he owned a gun in the first place.
    Jim Webb owns hand guns. Diane Feinstein owns hand guns. They are thugs, pussies and murderers.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    One - I'm not a leftist.

    Two - How are their constitutional protections being violated?
    Appointing a special prosecutor would be violating their rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Appointing a special prosecutor would be violating their rights.
    No it wouldn't. NYC had a special prosecutor who dealt with police issues until the late 80s. It came out of the Knapp Commission investigation of police corruption after the attempted murder of Det. Frank Serpico in the early 70s. That office reported to the governor and was eventually disbanded for budgetary reason, or so it was alleged. No one ever suggested there were Constitutional issues with it.

    There are no rights violations here. What a special prosecutor does is get someone who is not part of system to look at cops' actions. That should bring more transparency, fairness and justice to the system
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No it wouldn't. NYC had a special prosecutor who dealt with police issues until the late 80s. It came out of the Knapp Commission investigation of police corruption after the attempted murder of Det. Frank Serpico in the early 70s. That office reported to the governor and was eventually disbanded for budgetary reason, or so it was alleged. No one ever suggested there were Constitutional issues with it.

    There are no rights violations here. What a special prosecutor does is get someone who is not part of system to look at cops' actions. That should bring more transparency, fairness and justice to the system
    So, you want a politically appointed special prosecutor to work these cases instead of an elected district attorney? What good wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you want a politically appointed special prosecutor to work these cases instead of an elected district attorney? What good wrong?
    So if we're in agreement that there are no Constitutional issues here then the question is who would be more effective - an elected DA who works daily with the officers he'd have to indict, or an appointed DA who may be subject to political pressure.

    First you have to realize that elected DAs are just as subject to political pressures are appointed ones. Maybe more so as an elected DA may treat high profile cases differently because they affect his chances of re-election. Secondly the local DA works
    day in and day out with the officers he may have to indict. The potential conflict of interest should be obvious. So while a special prosecutor may been less than perfect my opinion would be that the chances of a just outcome are much greater with a special prosecutor than with the one who is part of the system he would have to investigate.

    John Keenan, now a Federal District Judge in New York, was one of the special prosecutors who handled NYPD cases back in the day. He was almost universally considered a fair and impartial prosecutor.

    Edit: Interesting debate on the topic in the New York Times recently: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...ial-prosecutor
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    So if we're in agreement that there are no Constitutional issues here then the question is who would be more effective - an elected DA who works daily with the officers he'd have to indict, or an appointed DA who may be subject to political pressure.

    First you have to realize that elected DAs are just as subject to political pressures are appointed ones. Maybe more so as an elected DA may treat high profile cases differently because they affect his chances of re-election. Secondly the local DA works
    day in and day out with the officers he may have to indict. The potential conflict of interest should be obvious. So while a special prosecutor may been less than perfect my opinion would be that the chances of a just outcome are much greater with a special prosecutor than with the one who is part of the system he would have to investigate.

    John Keenan, now a Federal District Judge in New York, was one of the special prosecutors who handled NYPD cases back in the day. He was almost universally considered a fair and impartial prosecutor.

    Edit: Interesting debate on the topic in the New York Times recently: Do Cases Like Eric Garner's Require a Special Prosecutor? - Room for Debate - NYTimes.com
    No, we're not in agreement, unless you can point out the constitutionality of appointing a special prosecutor with any given American citizen.

    You want a rigged system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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