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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There was a distinct anti-cop theme running through the Occupy movement. "Protesters" regularly instigated cops then claimed "abuse" when the cops reacted. It's a common tactic that we've seen over and over. For example, one group will throw bottles at the cops, another group films the cops response and a third group stands on the sidelines crying "We're peaceful". The idea is to generate a large media splash while remaining visibly lawful. It's walking the razor's edge but sometimes it goes a little askew and towns get burned down or cops get shot.
    No, there wasn't. It was a anti-big business theme that developed into complaints about the police AFTER they acted overly aggressively against the protesters.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's not just blacks. The anti-police movement is pretty much the reinvention of the Occupy movement.
    I disagree. A variety of right wing political zealots has been spreading anti cop sentiments for decades on the radio, blogs and via "teach in" events. They just have a different spin.

    In fact, most, but not all domestic politically motivated police killings are done by right wing sovereign citizen types rather than leftwing revolutionaries, black nationalists, or local moslems. That is not to say that leftist terrorists of a variety of stripes dont exist- but they have been an endangered species since the 1970s.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    No, there wasn't. It was a anti-big business theme that developed into complaints about the police AFTER they acted overly aggressively against the protesters.
    See, that's the problem. You think a bunch of wannabe hippies sitting in the middle of the street or taking over some public place is "protest". The rest of us think it's a public nuisance.

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    What did De Blasio say that condemned the entire NYC police force? Quote please.

    Or, does condemning one officer means you condemn all of the police in a city?
    What leads you to believe that De Blasio thinks that the actions of a single NYPD officer is "the problem"? Surely De Blasio calling for "reforms" of the NYPD means more than indicting/firing one cop.

    Like too many politicians, De Blasio is using one event as "an example" of a system (the entire NYPD?) in failure yet will NEVER do the same thing to explain the actions of one event, the senseless murder (execution?) of 2 NYPD officers, to serve as en example of the entire black community.

    Blaming all LEOs for the action of one of them is no different than blaming all young black males for the action of one of them.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Come on! Where's the voices saying that these cops deserved it? Isn't this what "justice" is supposed to look like?

    Great. The Mayor implies that cops are to blame for black kids getting killed. Protesters marching to the chant of "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" Ambulance crews and public defenders posting pics showing people pointing pistols at cops heads.

    Well, mother****ers, if you really wanted to start a war this is the way to do it.
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    Amen Luther
    Indeed. Granted, the man who shot the cops wasn't fully stable, but where did he pick up the idea? Where did he get this idea put into his head? Who's shouting 'kill the cops'?

    That's where you have to look.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What leads you to believe that De Blasio thinks that the actions of a single NYPD officer is "the problem"? Surely De Blasio calling for "reforms" of the NYPD means more than indicting/firing one cop.

    Like too many politicians, De Blasio is using one event as "an example" of a system (the entire NYPD?) in failure yet will NEVER do the same thing to explain the actions of one event, the senseless murder (execution?) of 2 NYPD officers, to serve as en example of the entire black community.

    Blaming all LEOs for the action of one of them is no different than blaming all young black males for the action of one of them.
    Calling for reforms does not mean anyone should be killed. Your error is believing that the actions of a single NYPD officer was somehow isolated. NYPD has a long and rich history of violence against minorities. Remember, it was a choke hold death of a Latino man that lead to the ban on choke hold in NYC.

    Eric Garner and the NYPD's History of Deadly Chokeholds - The Atlantic

    The history of choke holds did not start with Eric Garner. It is a good thing to review and reform when you start to see problem. Or do believe that the police should be above reproach?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Indeed. Granted, the man who shot the cops wasn't fully stable, but where did he pick up the idea? Where did he get this idea put into his head? Who's shouting 'kill the cops'?

    That's where you have to look.
    I see... liberals made up his mind for him.

    Then you shouldn't have any problem producing the quotes that support calls to violence... right?
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Go ahead, if you want to split hairs. That's beside the point, of course I know they are not body guards for regular citizens.



    Unless you can show some misconduct by the police, and of course that happens, he should be backing his police force. That's a given. Hmmm, should the mayor back the police or the criminals? Incredibly, NYC has a mayor that looks at these brave officers as criminals.
    No it's not splitting hairs. For one thing the entire idea of people owning firearms for self defense gets a huge boost in legitimacy because the police don't protect you. For another you cannot sue the police if they fail to protect you. And finally, the idea that the police protect you downplays the adversarial nature of most police-citizen encounters. In short their job is to arrest you, not save you.

    Panteleo may well be criminal. We'll never know because there won't be a trial. Grand Juries get it wrong, and as I noted in another post the fact that virtually no cop ever gets indicted is suggestive that something is wrong with the Grand Jury system where police are involved. The mayor is certainly allowed to believe that they got it wrong in this case and voice that opinion. And if you want to be completely honest - he's commenting on one cop or at most a small subset of bad apples, not the entirety of his department.
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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You claimed "they" had clearly started a war. Who are "they" and what is the war?
    Where did I claim that anyone had clearly started a war?

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    Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So... black people, as a group, have declared war on the police because a nutjob killed cops. What kind of fantasy world is that? Oh, I know, a racist fantasy world.
    It's an undeniable escalation to those ends. an escalation brought about by 'revolution' seeking professional leftists stoking the flames of racial/class discontent towards the "fundamental transformation" of a political/economic system they utterly abhor.

    own it.
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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