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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

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ecofarm said:
No one is fighting a war on cops, except the same people that always have - gang members, violent criminals and nutbags. Who else are you proposing is taking part in this 'war on cops'? Black people?
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I wouldn't say it's ongoing - I would say that the intent is pretty clearly a continual conflict between a wide portion of the black populace and the police forces who try to protect them that sparks into violence often enough to keep the conflict going and the money and votes rolling in. For others, the intent is to stoke conflict enough to produce regular violence in order to spark a crises "because that's how you get social change".
 
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Everything bad that happens to the police is not related to the actions of the police.

Everything bad that happens to people at the hands of the police is completely related to the actions of the people and the police are never responsible.


Do you not see the sheer madness of the above statements?
The guy clearly states he is supposedly getting back at the police for the recent deaths of two men at the hands of police.

He says exactly why he's doing it! How does that relate to anything said by Liberals?!

Nowhere in his statements does he say De Blasio, Sharpton and Obama are the reasons he committed this horrific murders. None of the protest focused on vengeance... not a single one. None of these men or any protest made gave any statements before or after the murders that support violent responses.

But, if you can support your claim that anyone's rhetoric led to violence, please quote it or STFU. I'd love to see these comments made by liberals that support violence. BTW, prove they are liberals.
 
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cpwill said:
I wouldn't say it's ongoing - I would say that the intent is pretty clearly a continual conflict between a wide portion of the black populace and the police forces who try to protect them that sparks into violence often enough to keep the conflict going and the money and votes rolling in. For others, the intent is to stoke conflict enough to produce regular violence in order to spark a crises "because that's how you get social change".
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You're claiming black people have begun a war on cops; in a concerted effort, as a sort of black movement?

You were referring to race war? You think this nutbag marks the start of a race war.
 
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ecofarm said:
You're claiming black people have begun a war on cops; in a concerted effort, as a sort of black movement?

You were referring to race war?
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It's not just blacks. The anti-police movement is pretty much the reinvention of the Occupy movement.
 
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Lutherf said:
It's not just blacks. The anti-police movement is pretty much the reinvention of the Occupy movement.
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Seriously? Was that why the occupy movement "occupied" Wall Street? To protest the police?

Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
 
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Lutherf said:
It's not just blacks.
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So... black people, as a group, have declared war on the police because a nutjob killed cops. What kind of fantasy world is that? Oh, I know, a racist fantasy world.
 
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Gaius46 said:
First point the police do not protect the citizenry. They have no legal obligation to do so. Even if there was a legal obligation to protect you it's a practical impossibility given the number of police and the number of people they'd have to protect.
What the police do is enforce laws. With regard to criminals that means is they find the guy who they think did it so the courts can figure out if he really did it and punish him. At best they lower the crime rate so the chances of you being a victim of a crime go down but that's not the same thing as protecting you.

So forget the "police protect me" bit. They don't. They can't.
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Go ahead, if you want to split hairs. That's beside the point, of course I know they are not body guards for regular citizens.

Why? Why should the mayor back the police by default? Is he supposed to just take a knee-jerk position that cops are always right even when he thinks they're wrong? That's stupidity. That's not managing his people, that's abdicating his responsibilities.
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Unless you can show some misconduct by the police, and of course that happens, he should be backing his police force. That's a given. Hmmm, should the mayor back the police or the criminals? Incredibly, NYC has a mayor that looks at these brave officers as criminals.
 
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Lutherf said:
It's not just blacks. The anti-police movement is pretty much the reinvention of the Occupy movement.
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ecofarm said:
So... black people, as a group, have declared war on the police because a nutjob killed cops. What kind of fantasy world is that? Oh, I know, a racist fantasy world.
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:doh
 
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Anthony60 said:
Go ahead, if you want to split hairs. That's beside the point, of course I know they are not body guards for regular citizens.



Unless you can show some misconduct by the police, and of course that happens, he should be backing his police force. That's a given. Hmmm, should the mayor back the police or the criminals? Incredibly, NYC has a mayor that looks at these brave officers as criminals.
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What did De Blasio say that condemned the entire NYC police force? Quote please.

Or, does condemning one officer means you condemn all of the police in a city?
 
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cpwill said:
:doh
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"Not just blacks" means blacks, as a group, and others. Check context and a grammar guide.
 
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Tettsuo said:
What did De Blasio say that condemned the entire NYC police force? Quote please.

Or, does condemning one officer means you condemn all of the police in a city?
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Oh, you don't remember him talking about warning his son about contact with the police officers? Do you need the dots connected for you? Where was he went protesters were calling for dead cops? He didn't say a thing against that behavior. Nope, kept his mouth shut there. He could have said that it was wrong and that wasn't the solution.
 
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Tettsuo said:
Seriously? Was that why the occupy movement "occupied" Wall Street? To protest the police?

Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
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There was a distinct anti-cop theme running through the Occupy movement. "Protesters" regularly instigated cops then claimed "abuse" when the cops reacted. It's a common tactic that we've seen over and over. For example, one group will throw bottles at the cops, another group films the cops response and a third group stands on the sidelines crying "We're peaceful". The idea is to generate a large media splash while remaining visibly lawful. It's walking the razor's edge but sometimes it goes a little askew and towns get burned down or cops get shot.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, you don't remember him talking about warning his son about contact with the police officers? Do you need the dots connected for you? Where was he went protesters were calling for dead cops? He didn't say a thing against that behavior. Nope, kept his mouth shut there. He could have said that it was wrong and that wasn't the solution.
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Do you have a quote or not?

No?

Got it.

Protesting police violence does NOT equal acceptance or violence against police. The protest in NYC was virtually violence free, why would De Blasio bitch about that?
It is our legal right as citizens of the USA to protest. Would you prefer that De Blasio goes against the Bill of Rights?
 
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Lutherf said:
There was a distinct anti-cop theme running through the Occupy movement. "Protesters" regularly instigated cops then claimed "abuse" when the cops reacted. It's a common tactic that we've seen over and over. For example, one group will throw bottles at the cops, another group films the cops response and a third group stands on the sidelines crying "We're peaceful". The idea is to generate a large media splash while remaining visibly lawful. It's walking the razor's edge but sometimes it goes a little askew and towns get burned down or cops get shot.
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No, there wasn't. It was a anti-big business theme that developed into complaints about the police AFTER they acted overly aggressively against the protesters.
 
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Lutherf said:
It's not just blacks. The anti-police movement is pretty much the reinvention of the Occupy movement.
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I disagree. A variety of right wing political zealots has been spreading anti cop sentiments for decades on the radio, blogs and via "teach in" events. They just have a different spin.

In fact, most, but not all domestic politically motivated police killings are done by right wing sovereign citizen types rather than leftwing revolutionaries, black nationalists, or local moslems. That is not to say that leftist terrorists of a variety of stripes dont exist- but they have been an endangered species since the 1970s.
 
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Tettsuo said:
No, there wasn't. It was a anti-big business theme that developed into complaints about the police AFTER they acted overly aggressively against the protesters.
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See, that's the problem. You think a bunch of wannabe hippies sitting in the middle of the street or taking over some public place is "protest". The rest of us think it's a public nuisance.
 
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Tettsuo said:
What did De Blasio say that condemned the entire NYC police force? Quote please.

Or, does condemning one officer means you condemn all of the police in a city?
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What leads you to believe that De Blasio thinks that the actions of a single NYPD officer is "the problem"? Surely De Blasio calling for "reforms" of the NYPD means more than indicting/firing one cop.

Like too many politicians, De Blasio is using one event as "an example" of a system (the entire NYPD?) in failure yet will NEVER do the same thing to explain the actions of one event, the senseless murder (execution?) of 2 NYPD officers, to serve as en example of the entire black community.

Blaming all LEOs for the action of one of them is no different than blaming all young black males for the action of one of them.
 
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Lutherf said:
Come on! Where's the voices saying that these cops deserved it? Isn't this what "justice" is supposed to look like?

Great. The Mayor implies that cops are to blame for black kids getting killed. Protesters marching to the chant of "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" Ambulance crews and public defenders posting pics showing people pointing pistols at cops heads.

Well, mother****ers, if you really wanted to start a war this is the way to do it.
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j-mac said:
Amen Luther
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Indeed. Granted, the man who shot the cops wasn't fully stable, but where did he pick up the idea? Where did he get this idea put into his head? Who's shouting 'kill the cops'?

That's where you have to look.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What leads you to believe that De Blasio thinks that the actions of a single NYPD officer is "the problem"? Surely De Blasio calling for "reforms" of the NYPD means more than indicting/firing one cop.

Like too many politicians, De Blasio is using one event as "an example" of a system (the entire NYPD?) in failure yet will NEVER do the same thing to explain the actions of one event, the senseless murder (execution?) of 2 NYPD officers, to serve as en example of the entire black community.

Blaming all LEOs for the action of one of them is no different than blaming all young black males for the action of one of them.
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Calling for reforms does not mean anyone should be killed. Your error is believing that the actions of a single NYPD officer was somehow isolated. NYPD has a long and rich history of violence against minorities. Remember, it was a choke hold death of a Latino man that lead to the ban on choke hold in NYC.

Eric Garner and the NYPD's History of Deadly Chokeholds - The Atlantic

The history of choke holds did not start with Eric Garner. It is a good thing to review and reform when you start to see problem. Or do believe that the police should be above reproach?
 
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eohrnberger said:
Indeed. Granted, the man who shot the cops wasn't fully stable, but where did he pick up the idea? Where did he get this idea put into his head? Who's shouting 'kill the cops'?

That's where you have to look.
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I see... liberals made up his mind for him.

Then you shouldn't have any problem producing the quotes that support calls to violence... right?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

Anthony60 said:
Go ahead, if you want to split hairs. That's beside the point, of course I know they are not body guards for regular citizens.



Unless you can show some misconduct by the police, and of course that happens, he should be backing his police force. That's a given. Hmmm, should the mayor back the police or the criminals? Incredibly, NYC has a mayor that looks at these brave officers as criminals.
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No it's not splitting hairs. For one thing the entire idea of people owning firearms for self defense gets a huge boost in legitimacy because the police don't protect you. For another you cannot sue the police if they fail to protect you. And finally, the idea that the police protect you downplays the adversarial nature of most police-citizen encounters. In short their job is to arrest you, not save you.

Panteleo may well be criminal. We'll never know because there won't be a trial. Grand Juries get it wrong, and as I noted in another post the fact that virtually no cop ever gets indicted is suggestive that something is wrong with the Grand Jury system where police are involved. The mayor is certainly allowed to believe that they got it wrong in this case and voice that opinion. And if you want to be completely honest - he's commenting on one cop or at most a small subset of bad apples, not the entirety of his department.
 
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ecofarm said:
You claimed "they" had clearly started a war. Who are "they" and what is the war?
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Where did I claim that anyone had clearly started a war?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

ecofarm said:
So... black people, as a group, have declared war on the police because a nutjob killed cops. What kind of fantasy world is that? Oh, I know, a racist fantasy world.
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It's an undeniable escalation to those ends. an escalation brought about by 'revolution' seeking professional leftists stoking the flames of racial/class discontent towards the "fundamental transformation" of a political/economic system they utterly abhor.

own it.
 
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