Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 56

Thread: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

  1. #31
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:10 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,785

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You have already been shown what you provided does not pertain.
    So unless you have some other rule to cite you are making a false claim.
    Oh, I've been "shown"? Really, just where would that have been? In what post did you find the Missouri Rules of Professional Conduct, RULE 4-3.3 did not pertain?

    from the Comments section on Rule 4-3.3
    [2] Rule 4-3.3 sets forth the special duties of lawyers as officers of the court to avoid conduct that undermines the integrity of the adjudicative process. A lawyer acting as an advocate in an adjudicative proceeding has an obligation to present the client's case with persuasive force. Performance of that duty while maintaining confidences of the client, however, is qualified by the advocate's duty of candor to the tribunal. Consequently, although a lawyer in an adversary proceeding is not required to present an impartial exposition of the law or to vouch for the evidence submitted in a cause, the lawyer must not allow the tribunal to be misled by false statements of law or fact or evidence that the lawyer knows to be false.
    See the bolded part with the imperative "must not"?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  2. #32
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:10 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,785

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Somerville:
    "facial injury" is a red mark on one cheek, no swelling, no abrasion of the skin?
    You were dishonest, and are being so again.
    It wasn't just a "red mark".
    la-photos-show-ferguson-police-officer-after-shooting-20141125.jpg
    Attached Images Attached Images
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  3. #33
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]67177598[ATTACH]
    So you admit you were wrong? As that isn't just a "red mark", but an actual abrasion with some slight swelling.



    Oh and don't forget the actual abrasions on his neck as well. D'oh!

    Last edited by Excon; 12-21-14 at 04:31 PM.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  4. #34
    Sage
    Excon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Seen
    10-14-17 @ 01:26 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,997

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Oh, I've been "shown"? Really, just where would that have been? In what post did you find the Missouri Rules of Professional Conduct, RULE 4-3.3 did not pertain?

    from the Comments section on Rule 4-3.3


    See the bolded part with the imperative "must not"?
    Do you not understand what you are reading?
    1. I told you to consider context of what was being spoken about. You didn't.
    2. I showed you what a "tribunal" is defined as. You ignored it.

    Again.

    "RULE 4-3.3: Advocate - Candor Toward THE TRIBUNAL"
    That is what you quoted. A rule for the advocate.

    This is how Tribunal is defined.
    (m) "Tribunal" denotes a court, an arbitrator in a binding arbitration proceeding, or a legislative body, administrative agency, or other body acting in an adjudicative capacity. A legislative body, administrative agency, or other body acts in an adjudicative capacity when a neutral official, after the presentation of evidence or legal argument by a party or parties, will render a binding legal decision directly affecting a party's interests in a particular matter.
    Supreme Court Rules - Rule 4 - Rules Governing the Missouri Bar and the Judiciary - Rules of Professional Conduct: Client-Lawyer Relationship - Terminology


    Nothing you just said counters this.
    Last edited by Excon; 12-21-14 at 04:33 PM.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
    Aristotle
    (≚ᄌ≚)

  5. #35
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,317

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I don't think you've been reading the same documents I've read. Some witnesses, not seven, verified PARTS of Wilson's story though not ALL of it. Sixteen witnesses said Michael Brown had his hands up when Wilson fired at him. Sixteen also testified that Brown was running away when Wilson first fired at him - not the same sixteen in every case. Only one witness said Brown did not have his hands up when shot, four witnesses said Wilson did not shoot at Brown when he was running away.

    IN the autopsies, there was one wound in Brown's arm that could have resulted from being hit from running away, the wound in the top of his head shows that he was either falling or already down when that shot hit him.
    Those sixteen witnesses either admitted that they didn't actually see the incident and were repeating hear say, or their stories didn't match the physical evidence, then they tried to change their story to fit the physical evidence.

    The version of events that you believe is false. It's been proven false and it's time to let it go. There are two cops dead on account the these falsehoods you insist on supporting.
    Last edited by apdst; 12-21-14 at 05:04 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

  6. #36
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Really? The most blatant lies came from Witness 40 who was the only one who fully corroborated Officer Wilson's story.

    "Witness 40": Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson

    No, the most blatant lies were told by Johnson. Yet you apparently have no problem with that.

  7. #37
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:10 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,785

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, the most blatant lies were told by Johnson. Yet you apparently have no problem with that.
    Give us the lies. The lies that Dorian Johnson stated before the Grand Jury and to FBI agents. His statements are available so please quote his actual words, not someone's 'interpretation' of his testimony.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  8. #38
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:10 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,785

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those sixteen witnesses either admitted that they didn't actually see the incident and were repeating hear say, or their stories didn't match the physical evidence, then they tried to change their story to fit the physical evidence.

    The version of events that you believe is false. It's been proven false and it's time to let it go. There are two cops dead on account the these falsehoods you insist on supporting.
    Yeah, the right wing hater propaganda machine is obviously quite effective because what you are stating here is all across the rightie blogosphere and certain news outlets. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with some political agenda, now could it?

    Does anyone remember similar outrage when the following happened?

    Las Vegas Cop Killers' Bundy Ranch Connection - Business Insider

    One of the most steadfast supporters of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy remembers the brief presence at the ranch of Jerad Miller and his wife, Amanda Miller, who are now the two suspects in a Sunday shooting in Las Vegas that left three people dead.

    Jerad and Amanda Miller allegedly killed two police officers and one civilian during a Sunday shooting spree before turning their guns on themselves. Reports after the shooting, along with the couple's Facebook profiles, have painted them as supporters of antigovernment causes. Earlier on Monday, video emerged of Jerad Miller speaking at the ranch.
    and Rudy Giuliani does know how to stir up the police
    September 17, 1992 — Thousands of off-duty police officers thronged around City Hall yesterday, swarming through police barricades to rally on the steps of the hall and blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge for nearly an hour in the most unruly and angry police demonstration in recent memory.

    The 300 uniformed officers who were supposed to control the crowd did little or nothing to stop the protesters from jumping barricades, tramping on automobiles, mobbing the steps of City Hall or taking over the bridge. In some cases, the on-duty officers encouraged the protesters.
    <snip>
    The Mayor also assailed Rudolph W. Giuliani, the probable Republican mayoral candidate, who spoke out against the Mayor at the union rally. Mr. Dinkins said Mr. Giuliani had egged on the protest irresponsibly for political reasons. “He’s clearly, clearly an opportunist,” Mr. Dinkins said. “He’s seizing upon a fragile circumstance in our city for his own political gain.” …
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  9. #39
    Sage
    Somerville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    On an island. Not that one!
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:10 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    9,785

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you admit you were wrong? As that isn't just a "red mark", but an actual abrasion with some slight swelling.



    Oh and don't forget the actual abrasions on his neck as well. D'oh!

    Oh yeah, a guy who is 6'4", weighs at least 275 lbs and the best evidence after punching the cop twice in the face is a slightly swollen red spot on the cop's right cheek. According to Officer Wilson, he had been hit so hard, he was afraid a third punch would kill him.

    I felt that another one of those punches could knock me out or worse.
    I mean it was, he's obviously bigger than I was, and stronger and the, I've already
    taken two to the face, and I didn't think I would, the third one could be fatal if
    he hit me right.
    Testimony to Grand Jury, Vol 5, pg 216
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Last edited by Somerville; 12-22-14 at 01:25 PM.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

  10. #40
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    14,997

    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those sixteen witnesses either admitted that they didn't actually see the incident and were repeating hear say, or their stories didn't match the physical evidence, then they tried to change their story to fit the physical evidence.

    The version of events that you believe is false. It's been proven false and it's time to let it go. There are two cops dead on account the these falsehoods you insist on supporting.
    1. Unless you can prove the witness "lied", they were telling what they believed was the truth. Any eye witness statement should be collaborated with other forensic evidence. A person may make a statement about the event that does not match up. That does not mean the person lied. There statement is what they perceived to be true.

    In the case of Michael Brown are there not many witness statements in support of Brown or the LEO that did not match up with other evidence?

    2. No. The two dead police officers is because someone decided to kill them. Lumping all LEO's as the same is no different than lumping all people of a certain ethnic group into one group.

    Got to ask, can the store owners who have had property damage during the "protests" go and damage some protesters property. Hey there all the same right?

Page 4 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •