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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You're the one ranting here, not me.

    You're willing to ignore the OBVIOUS perjury that led to the violence and destruction so you can continue to push this ridiculous " killed by Cop " narrative.
    Which OBVIOUS perjury are you talking about? The most blatant one revealed so far is Witness 40, who wasn't even at the site of the shooting. Then there was the witness who was at least in Ferguson but in a building located where they couldn't see the shooting. Give us the obvious lies, the lies that have been verified, not the ones which have been wandering about certain websites.
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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I don't think you've been reading the same documents I've read. Some witnesses, not seven, verified PARTS of Wilson's story though not ALL of it. Sixteen witnesses said Michael Brown had his hands up when Wilson fired at him. Sixteen also testified that Brown was running away when Wilson first fired at him - not the same sixteen in every case. Only one witness said Brown did not have his hands up when shot, four witnesses said Wilson did not shoot at Brown when he was running away.

    IN the autopsies, there was one wound in Brown's arm that could have resulted from being hit from running away, the wound in the top of his head shows that he was either falling or already down when that shot hit him.
    The forensics evidence and autopsies PROVE the Brown supportive testimony to be a lie. Remove bias and go with the science...and what you have is the fact that a big guy did a stupid thing, was punching the cop while the cop was seated in the car and went for his gun, which went off in his car.

    It wasnt eye witness testimony that sealed the deal...it was the evidence. Johnsons claims are proven false. Several of the witnesses that first claimed he had his hands up later changed their story. Some admitted they didnt see it but were filling in the blanks based on what 'happens all the time' or what they heard.

    But all you care about are the positions or statements that support your story.

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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The forensics evidence and autopsies PROVE the Brown supportive testimony to be a lie. Remove bias and go with the science...and what you have is the fact that a big guy did a stupid thing, was punching the cop while the cop was seated in the car and went for his gun, which went off in his car.

    It wasnt eye witness testimony that sealed the deal...it was the evidence. Johnsons claims are proven false. Several of the witnesses that first claimed he had his hands up later changed their story. Some admitted they didnt see it but were filling in the blanks based on what 'happens all the time' or what they heard.

    But all you care about are the positions or statements that support your story.
    Believe what you wish but my readings have caused me to hold a much more ambiguous view of what happened that day in Ferguson. The evidence as in many criminal cases is far less definitive than the interpretation favoured by those who see the case as a "street thug" getting his just desserts. The pathologist who was asked to review the autopsy findings did not agree with the statements of the prosecutor.

    "punching the cop" - Why then do the photographs taken a few hours later not show evidence of said punching by a guy who was 6' 4" and weighed more than 250 lbs?

    Why did the prosecutor not tell the grand jury about the lies and false testimony?
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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Which OBVIOUS perjury are you talking about? The most blatant one revealed so far is Witness 40, who wasn't even at the site of the shooting. Then there was the witness who was at least in Ferguson but in a building located where they couldn't see the shooting. Give us the obvious lies, the lies that have been verified, not the ones which have been wandering about certain websites.
    Lol !!

    Dorian Johnson's multiple lies are the most blatant.

    You know, the lies that all of the Protest, violence and looting were based on ?

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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!

    Dorian Johnson's multiple lies are the most blatant.

    You know, the lies that all of the Protest, violence and looting were based on ?
    Post the "multiple lies" or it didn't happen as you dream it happened. Do you know where to find Johnson's actual testimony?
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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Post the "multiple lies" or it didn't happen as you dream it happened. Do you know where to find Johnson's actual testimony?
    Shot in the back , shot wit his hands up, multiple lies by omission, you name it.

    You know, everything the physical evidence contradicted.

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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Believe what you wish but my readings have caused me to hold a much more ambiguous view of what happened that day in Ferguson. The evidence as in many criminal cases is far less definitive than the interpretation favoured by those who see the case as a "street thug" getting his just desserts. The pathologist who was asked to review the autopsy findings did not agree with the statements of the prosecutor.

    "punching the cop" - Why then do the photographs taken a few hours later not show evidence of said punching by a guy who was 6' 4" and weighed more than 250 lbs?

    Why did the prosecutor not tell the grand jury about the lies and false testimony?
    Believe what your preconceived bias already tells you. A grand jury heard ALL the evidence and obviously didnt start off with "by gawd guilty!!! Now lets hear the evidence!"

    Hands up was a lie. Getting shot in the back was a lie. But all you hear is what you want to hear.

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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Shot in the back , shot wit his hands up, multiple lies by omission, you name it.

    You know, everything the physical evidence contradicted.
    Thought so. You haven't read any of the testimony have you?
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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Believe what your preconceived bias already tells you. A grand jury heard ALL the evidence and obviously didnt start off with "by gawd guilty!!! Now lets hear the evidence!"

    Hands up was a lie. Getting shot in the back was a lie. But all you hear is what you want to hear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Thought so. You haven't read any of the testimony have you?
    My reply above fits with several recent posts on this thread



    WHY are those who think Michael Brown died during a justified cop killing unable to actually respond to the topic of this thread - The prosecutor knowingly violated the legal code under which he is supposed to act - WHY?

    A grand jury is not supposed to hear "ALL the evidence" particularly when the evidence is known to be false.
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    Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Heard Witnesses Who Lied, Prosecutor Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I don't think you've been reading the same documents I've read. Some witnesses, not seven, verified PARTS of Wilson's story though not ALL of it. Sixteen witnesses said Michael Brown had his hands up when Wilson fired at him. Sixteen also testified that Brown was running away when Wilson first fired at him - not the same sixteen in every case. Only one witness said Brown did not have his hands up when shot, four witnesses said Wilson did not shoot at Brown when he was running away.

    IN the autopsies, there was one wound in Brown's arm that could have resulted from being hit from running away, the wound in the top of his head shows that he was either falling or already down when that shot hit him.
    I think you should have been on the grand jury. Somehow, you seem to know more than they did, even though you weren't there having all this evidence presented to you. And somehow, you seem to know more about Missouri law than the lawyer who's the chief prosecutor in greater St. Louis. You must have gone to an extraordinary law school.

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