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    Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    https://news.yahoo.com/terrorist-mas...230211180.html

    The Pakistani Taliban assault on a school — killing 145, including 132 children — appears to be ”blowback” from a months-long Pakistani military offensive against the terror group that was encouraged and supported by the U.S. government, Pakistani and U.S. officials said today.

    The Pakistani military launched the offensive last June, killing more than 1,800 militants as well as an unknown number of civilians, in the group’s hideouts in North Waziristan.
    There you go. Why did we even get ourselves involved in this?

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    To blame the USA about it is to be naive and ignorant.

    The Pakistani govt has been fighting their version of the taliban for a long time now.
    Their taliban are afghan nationalists. Or better say, Pashto unionists. A significant part of Pakistan is part of the Pashto etnolinguistic gorup. The primary language of Afghanistan is Pashto. the people of Afghanistan are, well, pashtun. And as I explained above, a significant part of Pakistan is also pashtun. They are a (the largest or 2nd largest) minority in Pakistan as the majority of Pakistanis are, well, indians. Punjabi indians but not hindu but muslims.

    The taliban in Pakistan aren't like the taliban in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, they are fighting for an islamic state. In pakistan, they are fighting for cultural union because they don't want to be ruled by other people who care little for them.
    Not only did the Pakistani govt treat the afghani refugees from the afghan-soviet war horribly, they are treating the pakistani pashtun horribly too.

    So be clear. Pakistan is a mess. Right now there is massive civil unrest in the capital for a whole host of reasons. It's an oppressive regime that treats the pashtun, and others, very poorly. Barluchistan, the largest region in Pakistan, is subjected to poor governance, corruption and lack of representation because in Pakistan, the governor of a region is appointed, not elected. The Pashtun of pakistan are therefore very angry and rightfully so.

    It's easy and also stupid, to blame the USA for everything wrong in the world, especially for this. A pakistani official said the USA encouraged them to be aggressive towards their taliban. So what? Who told them to be stupid about it? The pakistani govt isn't fighting a war, it's fighting a civil war and when fighting a civil war, you need to be clear what your objective is. And in the case of the Pakistani govt is to exterminate the will and identity of the pashtun people. And they've been doing it for decades, it's not something new.

    So yes, this is a long reply but it's to point out the stupidity of the media. "Journalists" who know little or nothing about what they're writing about so they just wanna pin the blame on something "progressive" losers can masturbate to while self-flagellating themselves.

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

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    There you go. Why did we even get ourselves involved in this?
    So I see you're not a fan of personal responsibility. Could you change your lean to something besides "libertarian" please?
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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    So I see you're not a fan of personal responsibility. Could you change your lean to something besides "libertarian" please?
    As a libertarian I am against any sort of government involvement in the affairs of other countries. Perhaps you ought to change your lean since youre all for it.

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    To blame the USA about it is to be naive and ignorant.

    The Pakistani govt has been fighting their version of the taliban for a long time now.
    Their taliban are afghan nationalists. Or better say, Pashto unionists. A significant part of Pakistan is part of the Pashto etnolinguistic gorup. The primary language of Afghanistan is Pashto. the people of Afghanistan are, well, pashtun. And as I explained above, a significant part of Pakistan is also pashtun. They are a (the largest or 2nd largest) minority in Pakistan as the majority of Pakistanis are, well, indians. Punjabi indians but not hindu but muslims.

    The taliban in Pakistan aren't like the taliban in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, they are fighting for an islamic state. In pakistan, they are fighting for cultural union because they don't want to be ruled by other people who care little for them.
    Not only did the Pakistani govt treat the afghani refugees from the afghan-soviet war horribly, they are treating the pakistani pashtun horribly too.

    So be clear. Pakistan is a mess. Right now there is massive civil unrest in the capital for a whole host of reasons. It's an oppressive regime that treats the pashtun, and others, very poorly. Barluchistan, the largest region in Pakistan, is subjected to poor governance, corruption and lack of representation because in Pakistan, the governor of a region is appointed, not elected. The Pashtun of pakistan are therefore very angry and rightfully so.

    It's easy and also stupid, to blame the USA for everything wrong in the world, especially for this. A pakistani official said the USA encouraged them to be aggressive towards their taliban. So what? Who told them to be stupid about it? The pakistani govt isn't fighting a war, it's fighting a civil war and when fighting a civil war, you need to be clear what your objective is. And in the case of the Pakistani govt is to exterminate the will and identity of the pashtun people. And they've been doing it for decades, it's not something new.

    So yes, this is a long reply but it's to point out the stupidity of the media. "Journalists" who know little or nothing about what they're writing about so they just wanna pin the blame on something "progressive" losers can masturbate to while self-flagellating themselves.
    Wars cost money and the fact that the Obama administration is actively encouraging the Pakistan government to do this and is supporting them means the blame definitely lies with our government- this is why terrorism is on the rise all over the world.

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    As a libertarian I am against any sort of government involvement in the affairs of other countries. Perhaps you ought to change your lean since youre all for it.
    Choosing to blame those responsible makes one an interventionist?

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    As a libertarian I am against any sort of government involvement in the affairs of other countries. Perhaps you ought to change your lean since youre all for it.
    "Libertarian" is not a synonym for "isolationist."
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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Wars cost money and the fact that the Obama administration is actively encouraging the Pakistan government to do this and is supporting them means the blame definitely lies with our government- this is why terrorism is on the rise all over the world.
    Why shouldn't the Obama administration encourage the Pakistani government to fight the Taliban? While the Pakistani government is not the "good guys" by ANY stretch of the imagination, the Taliban are horrible, horrible people.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    So I see you're not a fan of personal responsibility. Could you change your lean to something besides "libertarian" please?
    governments have collective responsibility
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    Re: Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Choosing to blame those responsible makes one an interventionist?
    So when the US government dispatches billions in military aid to Pakistan and encourages their ethnic cleansing of other peoples in the region all is non-interventionist to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Why shouldn't the Obama administration encourage the Pakistani government to fight the Taliban? While the Pakistani government is not the "good guys" by ANY stretch of the imagination, the Taliban are horrible, horrible people.
    Choosing a side in a civil war in which we have no business to be a part of does not make us any better, in fact, it encourages reprisal attacks against us.

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