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Terrorist massacre of children ‘blowback’ from U.S.-backed Pakistani offensive

Everyone knows the basic history of Pakistan. Who cares? Pakistan is a piece of garbage and India is no threat to it today. In fact, India conquering Pakistan would be good for everyone including Pakistanis. So why must a backwards ****hole have nukes?

Pakistan is a country run by a Muslim majority. They would rather die then be subjected to being ruled by a Hindu government.
 
Pakistan is a country run by a Muslim majority. They would rather die then be subjected to being ruled by a Hindu government.

People are people. We want freedom and a better future for the next generation. The Pakistan regime is not a representation of any people, it's a regime. When Pakistanis are a sovereign people, we'll see what they want. India is a democracy with human rights, that's far more than what Pakistanis have now. India is no threat to Pakistan. So, why must that backwards ****hole have nukes? To defend what.
 
Ethnic cleansing? Is the Taliban an ethnicity now in Oceania?



Yes, yes it most certainly does make us better than those who carry out the attacks. The usefulness and moral superiority of your "none of our business" foreign policy pretty much ends outside AynRandville.
So silly namecalling is all you can come up with? I expected as much from the neocon crowd- just more excuses for the neverending war.]

The fact that the Taliban is capable of such atrocities is the very reason why we and all other western powers should encourage governments in the Middle East to stamp these roaches out with brutal force. Just more hippie ****bag apologism.

Unless youre prepared to kill every man woman and child in these regions then you can expect more reprisals. Your way is wrong and has been proven wrong time and time again.
 
So silly namecalling is all you can come up with? I expected as much from the neocon crowd- just more excuses for the neverending war.

What name did he call you?
 
To blame the USA about it is to be naive and ignorant.

The Pakistani govt has been fighting their version of the taliban for a long time now.
Their taliban are afghan nationalists. Or better say, Pashto unionists. A significant part of Pakistan is part of the Pashto etnolinguistic gorup. The primary language of Afghanistan is Pashto. the people of Afghanistan are, well, pashtun. And as I explained above, a significant part of Pakistan is also pashtun. They are a (the largest or 2nd largest) minority in Pakistan as the majority of Pakistanis are, well, indians. Punjabi indians but not hindu but muslims.

The taliban in Pakistan aren't like the taliban in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, they are fighting for an islamic state. In pakistan, they are fighting for cultural union because they don't want to be ruled by other people who care little for them.
Not only did the Pakistani govt treat the afghani refugees from the afghan-soviet war horribly, they are treating the pakistani pashtun horribly too.

So be clear. Pakistan is a mess. Right now there is massive civil unrest in the capital for a whole host of reasons. It's an oppressive regime that treats the pashtun, and others, very poorly. Barluchistan, the largest region in Pakistan, is subjected to poor governance, corruption and lack of representation because in Pakistan, the governor of a region is appointed, not elected. The Pashtun of pakistan are therefore very angry and rightfully so.

It's easy and also stupid, to blame the USA for everything wrong in the world, especially for this. A pakistani official said the USA encouraged them to be aggressive towards their taliban. So what? Who told them to be stupid about it? The pakistani govt isn't fighting a war, it's fighting a civil war and when fighting a civil war, you need to be clear what your objective is. And in the case of the Pakistani govt is to exterminate the will and identity of the pashtun people. And they've been doing it for decades, it's not something new.

So yes, this is a long reply but it's to point out the stupidity of the media. "Journalists" who know little or nothing about what they're writing about so they just wanna pin the blame on something "progressive" losers can masturbate to while self-flagellating themselves.




Even easier to pass the blame.

Tell me, how has American involvement helped the war on terror?

Please list all the massacres of school children by the Taliban BEFORE the US started drone bombing?

I would suggests that "journalists" know a **** of a lot more than you, they at least cite sources, you have laid out a page of uniformed and unsubstantiated opinion against journalists in country, on scene who have been reporting backlash for over a year.
 
Aynrandville?

He didn't call you a town name. He just made up a town name to be illustrative.

Hippie****bag ring a bell?

He didn't quote you and was referring to a position. You're a religious person, right? I'd say clearly not a hippie.

Didnt you even read what he wrote?

You're playing the victim card.
 
He didn't call you a town name. He just made up a town name to be illustrative.



He didn't quote you and was referring to a position. You're a religious person, right? I'd say clearly not a hippie.



You're playing the victim card.
I dont play any cards. I debate the issues. If you like to be like him then thats you.
 
I dont play any cards. I debate the issues. If you like to be like him then thats you.

Claiming that others are calling you names, especially when they are not, is hardly debating. It's whining and playing the victim card. It's a position, perhaps, but a pathetic one.
 
This is the most masochistic OP I've seen in a while. There's always someone willing to come out of the woodworks with a knife to their wrists after a tragedy like this screaming "We did this to ourselves!"
 
Even easier to pass the blame.

Tell me, how has American involvement helped the war on terror?

Please list all the massacres of school children by the Taliban BEFORE the US started drone bombing?

I would suggests that "journalists" know a **** of a lot more than you, they at least cite sources, you have laid out a page of uniformed and unsubstantiated opinion against journalists in country, on scene who have been reporting backlash for over a year.

Please list all the massacres of school children by the Taliban BEFORE the release of the iPod. Before you tell me correlation doesn't equal causation I want you to think on it.
 
So silly namecalling is all you can come up with?

Not at all. I pointed out the error in suggesting that we're supporting ethnic cleansing, when we're clearly not, and the error in suggesting that by taking a side against the Taliban makes us no better than the Taliban. Does intervening in a domestic dispute make us equally reprehensible as the abuser if he chooses to escalate his behavior in response? Of course not, yet this is is the obvious farce you're attempting to advance here.

Unless youre prepared to kill every man woman and child in these regions then you can expect more reprisals.

There are scores of non-Taliban sympathizers in Pakistan, as evidenced by the demonstrations in recent days. We should actively assist the Pakistani government in making sure that those who may sympathize take pause before taking up arms again, especially against children.
 
Wars cost money and the fact that the Obama administration is actively encouraging the Pakistan government to do this and is supporting them means the blame definitely lies with our government- this is why terrorism is on the rise all over the world.

So what should we do? Allow terroists to roam freely and plot to kill us with impunity?
Let me guess...you're one of those idiots who thinks if we leave them alone, they won't kill us?
 
Choosing a side in a civil war in which we have no business to be a part of does not make us any better, in fact, it encourages reprisal attacks against us.

It's not a civil war, you moron. The Pakistani Taliban are Afghan Taliban who survived our post-9/11 wrath and fled to Pakistan.
 

:doh

There is no tragedy out there so evil or pointless or stupid that some idiot hack won't try to blame America. Yeah. It's America's fault that Pakistan defends itself against terrorists who want to overthrow its government and install a neo-deobandi/wahabbi/pashtunwali/nihilist death-worship regime in its place :roll:
 
Because a democracy with human rights has nukes, a totalitarian backwards ****hole must have them as well? That's like saying because responsible people have guns, insane people must also have a guns. What sense does your position make. Beside, if the Indian government took control of Pakistan, Pakistanis would be far better off.

So, why does India having nukes necessitate Pakistan having them?

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Because
a) Is that in reference to India? LOL. Human rights my foot.
b) That's just about the dumbest thing in this thread
c) Because the only reason India isn't steamrolling into Pakistan, taking the Kashmir and other regions, is because both are nuclear powers. If one were to have the bombs and the other wouldn't, the one with the nukes would have a formidable advantage in that, it would be dominant over the tensions that they have. Pakistan would take a lot of territory that they see as "theirs", not just the kashmir region, the gujarat region IIRC is also on the table, and viceversa, if India would have nukes and Pakistan wouldn't they'd probably do what you think is the "good" thing and annex all of pakistan, bit by bit, not in one go. Salami tactics to make sure the rest of the world wouldn't care too much.

So the only way to avoid war is to have both of them have nukes.
And if you take India's nukes away, well, China will roll in and take a few regions that it squabbles over with India. And same for Pakistan.

Even easier to pass the blame.

Tell me, how has American involvement helped the war on terror?

Please list all the massacres of school children by the Taliban BEFORE the US started drone bombing?

I would suggests that "journalists" know a **** of a lot more than you, they at least cite sources, you have laid out a page of uniformed and unsubstantiated opinion against journalists in country, on scene who have been reporting backlash for over a year.

You seem to be under the impression that I am siding with the taliban, I'm not, I'm just explaining why the USA is not at fault here and why this can't be blamed on the USA.

If you think this is because of drone strikes, then you're wrong, this has been going on for decades. Yes, the drone strikes aren't helping to calm the population, but that's not the issue here because the pakistani officials aren't interested in that either. If the pakistani govt would be interested in making peace or being "fair" to the minorities in their country, there would be no need for drone strikes against the taliban.
The issue is that the pakistani talibans are fighting because their people, the pashtun, are mistreated by the islamabad regime. They have little or no representation, they're treated as second class citizens even though they're muslims, well, other religious groups like christians and shia have it way worse but w/e, and they seek cultural union with Afghanistan. And no, that doesn't mean that they want democracy and cultural union, they just want union with afghanistan.

It's easy where you're an american "journalist" to have an ameri-centric perspective. And it's wrong. The abuses of the islamabad regime are far more reaching than drone strikes. It's adding wood to the fire, it helps keep it alive. It doesn't start the fire.
Now, the wars are a different story, the war in afghanistan in particular, that's a whole different story.
 
UNITED NATIONS: A senior Pakistani diplomat has pledged the total annihilation of terrorism from his country as he denounced the "heinous and barbaric" attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar, killing over 132 children.

Addressing the United Nations (UN) Security Council, Ambassador Sahebzada Ahmed Khan said, "The terrorist attacked our children and hit our heart and now we will go for their jugular." "Let me convey this message today that we will defeat terrorism," he declared, while debating on the topic titled "Terrorism and Cross-Border Crime".

"Pakistan will prevail, no matter what and our mourning will only morph into a stronger resolve to fight back, even harder," he said.

Reflecting on the heroic response of the teachers, the children and the lady principal of the school, who had chosen to stay back and help each other instead of simply saving their own lives, Ahmed Khan said in a voice choked with emotion, "This is my nation. These are my people and it is a matter of pride for me to represent such a resilient nation at the United Nations."

Pakistan, he said, possessed unyielding resolve, a clear mind and a hand to execute affirmative action. "We will persist and persevere till the end of this blight. After all, Pakistan has been, since long, spearheading the international fight against terrorism. The country mourns today but we will, In shaa Allah, ensure the total annihilation of terrorists and their twisted ideologies," he added.

Turning to the subject of the debate, the Pakistani envoy said that there was a difference between cross-border crime and cross-border organised crime. Nevertheless, recognising that terrorists could take advantage of a lack of border controls, he said that he fully subscribed to the need for border control mechanisms.
Pakistan pledges total annihilation of terrorists

To this I say FINALLY!

The Taliban has been causing problems for Pakistan even before US military operations in Afghanistan pushed them across the border into Pakistan.

Could you imagine how badly it would have gone for the Taliban with the US forces on the Afghanistan side of the border and the Pakistan military on the other side? A missed opportunity, I'd say.
 
I would hardly call the US urging a nation to face the issues within its own borders and that country subsequently getting "blowback" anything of substance. The Pakistani government knew the risks involved with poking and prodding with a terrorist group, and they were not prepared to deal with it fully, that is not the US's fault. Even me, who is against foreign intervention in almost every sense can see there is nothing here. I would much prefer the US be like "Hey buddy you should check out those extremists you got there" than invading the country. Invading in order to address the issue would have resulted in more long term civilian casualties.
 
Ridiculous.
If the US doesn't bend to terrorists' demands, it is responsible for their attacks on it.
If the US targets the terrorists that plan on targeting it then it's responsible for the terrorist attacks on it.
Now even if there's the slightest connection between the US and the nation where a terror attack takes place at then that means the US is responsible for that barbaric attack.
Simply pathetic.
 
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