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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    4. Fiddy: You don't care about education and you don't care about children.
    I care about it quite a bit more than you give me credit for, Sly. I've had to work harder than most to get the education I received, and I don't take it for granted. If you knew me outside of here, you wouldn't have said either statement.

    All you care about is yourself and people like you.
    Not so. I just have experience and passion for those like me. We tend to be mistreated frequently. Excuse me for that.

    You have absolutely no problem stealing a quality education for everyone
    You have legal mechanisms to prevent that. If you can't prove it to either the State or the Feds, you have no business saying they are stealing an education from anyone.

    as long as we set unrealistic goals for special needs students, goals which do nothing more than set those children up to fail. You want everyone to suffer, because you had a bad experience.
    I think we should put that statement into perspective for others (if there is even anyone else around to see this). You argue that students with disabilities are being educated far too frequently in the regular education environment. Even though schools have the ability to argue that without proper supports and accommodations, a student can be a detriment to the rest of the student body and receive an inadequate education, you seem to believe that's not enough.

    Despite saying you want a quality education for all students with disabilities, you would prefer that they remain separated from the rest of the student body.

    Now, you accuse me of having a bad experience (I did, but I also had many good spots-just like a lot of former special education students) and then wanting to spoil education for everyone else as a result. Nothing could be further than that. However, you have also stated that you were annoyed with people like us, because you (the gifted student), felt like we were ruining your education because we were in there with you. We should have just known our place and not have been educated alongside the rest of you, because it's so unrealistic to expect much of us in life.

    So yes, Sly, I think your attitude toward students like this kid has been exaggerated. It was an improper move to remove the kid's cane unilaterally and the school eventually recognized this.
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I care about it quite a bit more than you give me credit for, Sly.
    The evidence from your posts does not support your statement. You're constantly wanting to deprive students of necessary resources just to pour the resources into goals which are unrealistic.

    Not so. I just have experience and passion for those like me. We tend to be mistreated frequently. Excuse me for that.
    I have. Many times. But it doesn't change the fact your assertion that I don't care about those with special needs is patently untrue and incredibly unfair.

    You have legal mechanisms to prevent that. If you can't prove it to either the State or the Feds, you have no business saying they are stealing an education from anyone.
    Nonsense. We have students at school who will be lucky to keep a job as a janitor or a dishwasher. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. But to set goals for these students which are clearly out of their capability, and then deprive the rest of the student population of necessary resources they could use to actually better their education, is just not right.

    I think we should put that statement into perspective for others (if there is even anyone else around to see this).
    I doubt there is.

    You argue that students with disabilities are being educated far too frequently in the regular education environment.
    I'm saying we need to do a better job of targeting education for students in a more appropriate manner. There are students who are integrated into the regular classroom who have no business being there.

    Even though schools have the ability to argue that without proper supports and accommodations, a student can be a detriment to the rest of the student body and receive an inadequate education, you seem to believe that's not enough.
    As I told you before, I believe very strongly that our educational system needs to get away from the one size fits all educational model. This is what you continually fail to consider. You think I'm only talking about special needs students...I'm not. But, as it currently stands, we're putting those with very limited futures in the same classrooms as those with much brighter futures AND spending exponentially more money on them. That's asinine. In no other financial model would you knowingly throw 7-10 times as much towards a product which you know is going to bring you a negative return. But we do it in education.

    Despite saying you want a quality education for all students with disabilities, you would prefer that they remain separated from the rest of the student body.
    I'm saying some need specialized schools, which they can receive a more unique education, while also not dragging down the regular classroom for the rest of students. It's a win-win in every way.

    However, you have also stated that you were annoyed with people like us, because you (the gifted student), felt like we were ruining your education because we were in there with you.
    You have no idea how much time I had to waste in school, especially in elementary school. You have no idea. If I went to school for 8 hours, at least an hour or two was spent just waiting for other students. And while I went to college and achieved a near 4.0 GPA (I just got lazy in one class my last semester), my friend (who was special needs) who works as a dishwasher at the local Texas Roadhouse was having roughly 7 times more money spent on him.

    My friend was a good guy, still is (I assume). But he was never going to be more than he is now, and everyone knew it, even back in elementary school. So for a student like that to be given 7 times the financial opportunity as someone like me is just not a good use of our resources.

    We should have just known our place and not have been educated alongside the rest of you, because it's so unrealistic to expect much of us in life.
    I never said anything like that. You know as well as I do there are different levels of functioning. There are very high functioning students with special needs (for example, we had a girl graduate a few years ago who was "normal" in every way, except she was in a wheel chair...but she had no other real problems) and there are very low functioning students. We need to do a much better job of fitting ALL students to things they are good at.

    So yes, Sly, I think your attitude toward students like this kid has been exaggerated.
    It hasn't. I don't have an attitude towards this kid at all, I don't know anything about him. My point from the beginning, despite the liars who try to claim otherwise (and no, I'm not talking about you), is that we don't know what really happened. We don't have all the facts, all we have is the word of the parent. And since we don't have all the facts, it's asinine to pass judgment.

    That's been my point from the very beginning.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What in the hell is the matter with these people?!!! Good grief...So the bus driver looks up in their rearview, and sees Dakota touch someone with his cane, and takes it away to replace it with a pool noodle? Are you kidding me? He/She should be fired.
    Should have at least given him a walker with those tennis ball shoes on it.

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