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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The school and 504 team/IEP team must take part in a protected process addressing student behavior and placements.

    http://susd.schoolfusion.us/modules/...discipline.pdf
    This flowchart doesn't seem to include response to "actively violent student"
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree. If the story is completely true, there is a sadist element to it. It doesn't make sense to do this kind of thing, even if the kid did hit another kid.

    If he beat the kid mercilessly with the cane, then they would have to find another way to punish him. And get him therapy. But none of that would involve replacing his cane with a noodle. That seems pretty twisted to me.
    And I'm not exactly sure how a blind kid could beat anybody mercilessly.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A child using a cane as a weapon doesn't have the right to hold onto it, no.
    BS. It's a rights violation to take it away.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh, so you don't think what they did was right then. Then why didn't you just say so?
    Again, is it dishonesty which led you to a conclusion I've directly refuted multiple times? Or do you just not possess the intellectual capability to understand a simple sentence? I'll say it again...try reading it slower, maybe you'll get it this time.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Here, I'll post it again, because you seem to be having so much trouble understanding. Read it slowly.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Get it now?
    I missed the lies you mentioned.
    You seem to be missing a lot of things. I just can't tell if it's due to your levels of honesty, integrity or intelligence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Except you would have to justify the removal of the accommodation under the legal protections afforded to students with disabilities.
    I would assume assaulting another student would be a good start. Throw in a few alternative accommodations, and I bet you can get there pretty quick.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    SO ****ING WHAT?
    So...the truth matters. Why are so many people allergic to the truth? Why are you allergic to the truth?
    You know what this is?
    Yes, this is a bunch of stupid people who don't care what the truth is, they just want to blindly bash the school, regardless of the actual facts of the case. Again, maybe the school was completely in the wrong. We don't know. But that's the point...we don't know. For you to call them "sick bastards" based on evidence you don't have is stupid. Though not surprising.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh stop it. Let's not act like you have any high ground on this subject.
    I have plenty of high ground, but I'm not posting from high ground. I'm posting from the common sense standpoint of "how about we take the time to know what happened BEFORE we pass judgment". The fact you think having information before making a decision means someone is posting from the high ground says quite a bit about you.
    Some of us already know your attitude toward students with disabilities.
    Yes, some of you do. For those who don't, I'll clarify.

    Those with special needs should be provided everything they need for the best education possible. However, we should not deprive the rest of our children of the best education possible because we set unrealistic goals for those with special needs. Special needs students should be put in tracts (all students should, actually, but that's a conversation for another time) and be allowed to pursue an education which fits best for them.

    I'm sorry if you have a problem with the idea of giving special needs students the best education for them and not setting goals which just sets them up to fail.
    You practically act like Section 504 and IDEA should be abolished.
    I act like the educational system needs to quit being stupid and depriving our best students of valuable time and resources, all because we choose to set unrealistic goals and spend exorbitant amounts of money on students who will never reach those goals.

    Again, if you have a problem with common sense, that says quite a bit about you.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, this is another example of improperly disciplining a child.
    I assume you have proof then, and not just the word of the parent? No, of course you don't, because people like you don't care about facts.
    More evidence that there are people working in our school system that have absolutely no business doing so.
    More evidence that people will say stupid things, regardless of how ignorant it makes them sound.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Taking the kid's cane in unjustified, no matter what he did.
    If the child is hitting another student, and has a history of doing so, it's not unjustified to take the weapon away. There are many ways to help a child with vision issues through school. I know this firsthand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You 'suspect'? You 'doubt'? Well, that's enough for me.
    Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Do you really think a school is made up of evil people who want a little child stumbling through the halls just so they can laugh at them?

    C'mon, don't say stupid things. Be better than a lot of these other posters. A school isn't going to go out of their way to humiliate a child. How utterly stupid is it to assume the same school which purchases a cane for the student would be so evil as to try and humiliate the child by making him go around the building all day with nothing and no one to guide him?

    People are saying a lot of stupid things in this thread, mostly because they don't have the first damn clue as to what they are talking about. You should try to be better than that.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, is it dishonesty which led you to a conclusion I've directly refuted multiple times? Or do you just not possess the intellectual capability to understand a simple sentence? I'll say it again...try reading it slower, maybe you'll get it this time.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Here, I'll post it again, because you seem to be having so much trouble understanding. Read it slowly.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Get it now?
    You seem to be missing a lot of things. I just can't tell if it's due to your levels of honesty, integrity or intelligence.
    I would assume assaulting another student would be a good start. Throw in a few alternative accommodations, and I bet you can get there pretty quick.
    So...the truth matters. Why are so many people allergic to the truth? Why are you allergic to the truth?
    Yes, this is a bunch of stupid people who don't care what the truth is, they just want to blindly bash the school, regardless of the actual facts of the case. Again, maybe the school was completely in the wrong. We don't know. But that's the point...we don't know. For you to call them "sick bastards" based on evidence you don't have is stupid. Though not surprising.
    I have plenty of high ground, but I'm not posting from high ground. I'm posting from the common sense standpoint of "how about we take the time to know what happened BEFORE we pass judgment". The fact you think having information before making a decision means someone is posting from the high ground says quite a bit about you.
    Yes, some of you do. For those who don't, I'll clarify.

    Those with special needs should be provided everything they need for the best education possible. However, we should not deprive the rest of our children of the best education possible because we set unrealistic goals for those with special needs. Special needs students should be put in tracts (all students should, actually, but that's a conversation for another time) and be allowed to pursue an education which fits best for them.

    I'm sorry if you have a problem with the idea of giving special needs students the best education for them and not setting goals which just sets them up to fail.
    I act like the educational system needs to quit being stupid and depriving our best students of valuable time and resources, all because we choose to set unrealistic goals and spend exorbitant amounts of money on students who will never reach those goals.

    Again, if you have a problem with common sense, that says quite a bit about you.
    I assume you have proof then, and not just the word of the parent? No, of course you don't, because people like you don't care about facts.
    More evidence that people will say stupid things, regardless of how ignorant it makes them sound.
    If the child is hitting another student, and has a history of doing so, it's not unjustified to take the weapon away. There are many ways to help a child with vision issues through school. I know this firsthand.
    Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Do you really think a school is made up of evil people who want a little child stumbling through the halls just so they can laugh at them?

    C'mon, don't say stupid things. Be better than a lot of these other posters. A school isn't going to go out of their way to humiliate a child. How utterly stupid is it to assume the same school which purchases a cane for the student would be so evil as to try and humiliate the child by making him go around the building all day with nothing and no one to guide him?

    People are saying a lot of stupid things in this thread, mostly because they don't have the first damn clue as to what they are talking about. You should try to be better than that.
    Proof of what?
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, is it dishonesty which led you to a conclusion I've directly refuted multiple times? Or do you just not possess the intellectual capability to understand a simple sentence? I'll say it again...try reading it slower, maybe you'll get it this time.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Here, I'll post it again, because you seem to be having so much trouble understanding. Read it slowly.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Get it now?
    You seem to be missing a lot of things. I just can't tell if it's due to your levels of honesty, integrity or intelligence.
    Awesome stories. So your inability to list these lies this blind child told, even though I keep asking you what they were, and your impressive ability to attempt to deflect away from the answers because you know there are none, are noteworthy. Thanks for the laugh.

    By the way, the other posts in this thread were eye opening. I should have known you have a problem with special needs children based on your posts.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    It he's hitting kids with it, then he's punished. But that punishment isn't to take away his cane.

    If another disabled child is running over kids feet with his motorized chair, and you going to take his chair? Maybe replace it with an inflatable pool toy?
    No silly, a unicycle. Or perhaps, a furniture dolly if they are feeling particularly magnanimous.

    All kidding aside, if the kid is really hitting people with his cane, a less potentially dangerous implement should be found. Obviously, a pool noodle isn't the best choice.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, is it dishonesty which led you to a conclusion I've directly refuted multiple times? Or do you just not possess the intellectual capability to understand a simple sentence? I'll say it again...try reading it slower, maybe you'll get it this time.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Here, I'll post it again, because you seem to be having so much trouble understanding. Read it slowly.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Get it now?
    You seem to be missing a lot of things. I just can't tell if it's due to your levels of honesty, integrity or intelligence.
    I would assume assaulting another student would be a good start. Throw in a few alternative accommodations, and I bet you can get there pretty quick.
    So...the truth matters. Why are so many people allergic to the truth? Why are you allergic to the truth?
    Yes, this is a bunch of stupid people who don't care what the truth is, they just want to blindly bash the school, regardless of the actual facts of the case. Again, maybe the school was completely in the wrong. We don't know. But that's the point...we don't know. For you to call them "sick bastards" based on evidence you don't have is stupid. Though not surprising.
    I have plenty of high ground, but I'm not posting from high ground. I'm posting from the common sense standpoint of "how about we take the time to know what happened BEFORE we pass judgment". The fact you think having information before making a decision means someone is posting from the high ground says quite a bit about you.
    Yes, some of you do. For those who don't, I'll clarify.

    Those with special needs should be provided everything they need for the best education possible. However, we should not deprive the rest of our children of the best education possible because we set unrealistic goals for those with special needs. Special needs students should be put in tracts (all students should, actually, but that's a conversation for another time) and be allowed to pursue an education which fits best for them.

    I'm sorry if you have a problem with the idea of giving special needs students the best education for them and not setting goals which just sets them up to fail.
    I act like the educational system needs to quit being stupid and depriving our best students of valuable time and resources, all because we choose to set unrealistic goals and spend exorbitant amounts of money on students who will never reach those goals.

    Again, if you have a problem with common sense, that says quite a bit about you.
    I assume you have proof then, and not just the word of the parent? No, of course you don't, because people like you don't care about facts.
    More evidence that people will say stupid things, regardless of how ignorant it makes them sound.
    If the child is hitting another student, and has a history of doing so, it's not unjustified to take the weapon away. There are many ways to help a child with vision issues through school. I know this firsthand.
    Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Do you really think a school is made up of evil people who want a little child stumbling through the halls just so they can laugh at them?

    C'mon, don't say stupid things. Be better than a lot of these other posters. A school isn't going to go out of their way to humiliate a child. How utterly stupid is it to assume the same school which purchases a cane for the student would be so evil as to try and humiliate the child by making him go around the building all day with nothing and no one to guide him?

    People are saying a lot of stupid things in this thread, mostly because they don't have the first damn clue as to what they are talking about. You should try to be better than that.
    The can was not a 'weapon'. It's his eyes. You are correct about people saying a lot of stupid things. Get a clue.
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, is it dishonesty which led you to a conclusion I've directly refuted multiple times? Or do you just not possess the intellectual capability to understand a simple sentence? I'll say it again...try reading it slower, maybe you'll get it this time.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Here, I'll post it again, because you seem to be having so much trouble understanding. Read it slowly.

    "No, my argument is that we don't know the real story. So it would be unwise to pass judgment on anyone."

    Get it now?
    You seem to be missing a lot of things. I just can't tell if it's due to your levels of honesty, integrity or intelligence.
    I would assume assaulting another student would be a good start. Throw in a few alternative accommodations, and I bet you can get there pretty quick.
    So...the truth matters. Why are so many people allergic to the truth? Why are you allergic to the truth?
    Yes, this is a bunch of stupid people who don't care what the truth is, they just want to blindly bash the school, regardless of the actual facts of the case. Again, maybe the school was completely in the wrong. We don't know. But that's the point...we don't know. For you to call them "sick bastards" based on evidence you don't have is stupid. Though not surprising.
    I have plenty of high ground, but I'm not posting from high ground. I'm posting from the common sense standpoint of "how about we take the time to know what happened BEFORE we pass judgment". The fact you think having information before making a decision means someone is posting from the high ground says quite a bit about you.
    Yes, some of you do. For those who don't, I'll clarify.

    Those with special needs should be provided everything they need for the best education possible. However, we should not deprive the rest of our children of the best education possible because we set unrealistic goals for those with special needs. Special needs students should be put in tracts (all students should, actually, but that's a conversation for another time) and be allowed to pursue an education which fits best for them.

    I'm sorry if you have a problem with the idea of giving special needs students the best education for them and not setting goals which just sets them up to fail.
    I act like the educational system needs to quit being stupid and depriving our best students of valuable time and resources, all because we choose to set unrealistic goals and spend exorbitant amounts of money on students who will never reach those goals.

    Again, if you have a problem with common sense, that says quite a bit about you.
    I assume you have proof then, and not just the word of the parent? No, of course you don't, because people like you don't care about facts.
    More evidence that people will say stupid things, regardless of how ignorant it makes them sound.
    If the child is hitting another student, and has a history of doing so, it's not unjustified to take the weapon away. There are many ways to help a child with vision issues through school. I know this firsthand.
    Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Do you really think a school is made up of evil people who want a little child stumbling through the halls just so they can laugh at them?

    C'mon, don't say stupid things. Be better than a lot of these other posters. A school isn't going to go out of their way to humiliate a child. How utterly stupid is it to assume the same school which purchases a cane for the student would be so evil as to try and humiliate the child by making him go around the building all day with nothing and no one to guide him?

    People are saying a lot of stupid things in this thread, mostly because they don't have the first damn clue as to what they are talking about. You should try to be better than that.
    You would have to provide an accommodation of equal value, furthermore the school would have to provide the accommodation while the plan is still in force. Unilateral action of this sort isn't permitted.

    I know it says a lot about me. I prefer that students like me are educated in the public school system alongside their age peers Unless you can justify otherwise through the confines of the laws that has been in this country for 40 years.

    I know you haven't much respect of people like me or those with "more severe" disabilities, but we have every right to be educated like you and not isolated from society.

    I know you think you're better than me and others like me, but you're not.
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    I had separate and individual posts all typed out and ready to send when my game caused my computer to crash. So since I am royally ticked at my computer, I'll make this short.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Proof of what?
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Awesome stories. So your inability to list these lies this blind child told, even though I keep asking you what they were, and your impressive ability to attempt to deflect away from the answers because you know there are none, are noteworthy. Thanks for the laugh.

    By the way, the other posts in this thread were eye opening. I should have known you have a problem with special needs children based on your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The can was not a 'weapon'. It's his eyes. You are correct about people saying a lot of stupid things. Get a clue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You would have to provide an accommodation of equal value, furthermore the school would have to provide the accommodation while the plan is still in force. Unilateral action of this sort isn't permitted.

    I know it says a lot about me. I prefer that students like me are educated in the public school system alongside their age peers Unless you can justify otherwise through the confines of the laws that has been in this country for 40 years.

    I know you haven't much respect of people like me or those with "more severe" disabilities, but we have every right to be educated like you and not isolated from society.

    I know you think you're better than me and others like me, but you're not.
    1. apdst: Proof this was improper
    2. Tres: Your blatant posting of lies and dishonesty is absurd and it's dishonesty like yours which makes it harder for me to post here. I get sick of dishonest and lying posters. If you have to resort to posting blatant and obvious lies just to salvage your e-ego, you might consider an alternative to forum posting. I've told you several times now EXACTLY what my position has been all along and you still lie about it. Your posts sound like a 11 year old child who just got in trouble...lie, lie, lie.
    3. Wiggen: It becomes a weapon if/when the child begins striking another with it.
    4. Fiddy: You don't care about education and you don't care about children. All you care about is yourself and people like you. You have absolutely no problem stealing a quality education for everyone, as long as we set unrealistic goals for special needs students, goals which do nothing more than set those children up to fail. You want everyone to suffer, because you had a bad experience.

    You don't care about education and you don't care about children. You seem like a decent person overall, but your attitudes towards a child's education are despicable to me.

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