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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    Whether he hit someone or not, taking away the cane is a violation of his rights as a disabled person. That can get the power of the Feds dropped on your head.
    A child using a cane as a weapon doesn't have the right to hold onto it, no.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    So should a child using a wheelchair as a weapon be removed out of that chair?

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I know most school buses come with cameras these days. Have you seen the footage? Do you know the student didn't hit another with the cane?
    when you don't have any eyes, I suppose you do whatever you have to do to get by. Taking the kid's cane in unjustified, no matter what he did.
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't, but I'm not the one passing judgment.

    So we have the word of someone who was actually there against the parent who wasn't there.

    I know whose word I'm more likely to take, especially if the bus has cameras like many do these days.

    I'm not supporting anything.

    That doesn't mean they were in the wrong, it just means it's easier than dealing with a bunch of crap, not to mention prevents a frivolous lawsuit which would cost the school loads of money.

    Maybe the school was in the wrong, I don't know. But that's the difference...I'm not saying they were or were not in the wrong because I don't know. Let's compare to how you've handled it...

    So you don't have any idea whether the child was hitting someone or if he has hit others before, but you're going to go ahead and take sides anyways.

    I guess that's just the difference between us...I prefer facts and you prefer quick outrage and name-calling.
    And if a child hits another with an object, we take the object away.

    I suspect this child has an aide with him 100% of the time he's at school. I doubt the punishment is as bad as some of you are trying to make it sound.
    You 'suspect'? You 'doubt'? Well, that's enough for me.
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So should a child using a wheelchair as a weapon be removed out of that chair?
    Unless the school has magically found a way to eliminate the equal access barriers with another accommodation....well, I think we know the answer to that
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A child using a cane as a weapon doesn't have the right to hold onto it, no.
    They do have the right to use it, however. One could make a behavioral intervention, but that does not preclude the use of a cane for a disability accommodation. Schools have to provide an accommodation that meets the requirements of the law. A pool toy does not meet that requirement. They also have to go through a process to justify such interventions, which involves the parents and isn't something put together ad-hoc.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They do have the right to use it, however. One could make a behavioral intervention, but that does not preclude the use of a cane for a disability accommodation. Schools have to provide an accommodation that meets the requirements of the law. A pool toy does not meet that requirement. They also have to go through a process to justify such interventions, which involves the parents and isn't something put together ad-hoc.

    FAPE...it's good stuff.
    And what if the kid just keeps hitting people?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And what if the kid just keeps hitting people?
    The school and 504 team/IEP team must take part in a protected process addressing student behavior and placements.

    http://susd.schoolfusion.us/modules/...discipline.pdf
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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The school and 504 team/IEP team must take part in a protected process addressing student behavior and placements.

    http://susd.schoolfusion.us/modules/...discipline.pdf
    Which does not include, I'm willing to bet, the taking away of the cane.

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    Re: Missouri school punished blind child by replacing cane with pool toy

    Child with prosthetic leg kicks classmate. Quick, what's this lazy school administrator's disciplinary solution?
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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