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Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

annata said:
Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'


some colorful language -read other sources for more in depth.
He also mention US torture post 9-11, and lashes out at a question about political reform.

Be interesting to see if Russia can diversify from an extractive economy; or as McCain called it
"a glorified gas station"
EDIT: his annual news conference
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Bah! Putin is just shoring up his support in Russia with a dose of nationalism.
 
Helix said:
then don't recognize Crimea's annexation. that's fine. and if you're the US, while you're not recognizing it, fix your own neglected house.
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That's exactly what the US and other countries are doing... isolating Crimea legally and peacefully. There are no US military forces involved whatsoever.
 
Simpleχity;1064107325 said:
That's exactly what the US and other countries are doing... isolating Crimea legally and peacefully.
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To that end...

The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
December 18, 2014

Statement by the President on the Ukraine Freedom Support Act

Today, I have signed H.R. 5859, the Ukraine Freedom Support Act of 2014, into law. Signing this legislation does not signal a change in the Administration’s sanctions policy, which we have carefully calibrated in accordance with developments on the ground and coordinated with our allies and partners. At this time, the Administration does not intend to impose sanctions under this law, but the Act gives the Administration additional authorities that could be utilized, if circumstances warranted.

My Administration will continue to work closely with allies and partners in Europe and internationally to respond to developments in Ukraine and will continue to review and calibrate our sanctions to respond to Russia's actions. We again call on Russia to end its occupation and attempted annexation of Crimea, cease support to separatists in eastern Ukraine, and implement the obligations it signed up to under the Minsk agreements.

As I have said many times, our goal is to promote a diplomatic solution that provides a lasting resolution to the conflict and helps to promote growth and stability in Ukraine and regionally, including in Russia. In this context, we continue to call on Russia's leadership to implement the Minsk agreements and to reach a lasting and comprehensive resolution to the conflict which respects Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. We remain prepared to roll back sanctions should Russia take the necessary steps.

whitehouse.gov
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Fallenangel said:
Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
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I've seen countless polls from countless sources. When this phenomenon broke, years ago, pretty much every polling company got involved.


Jack Fabulous said:
My sister in law is a high school history teacher in St. Petersburg. They don't exactly sing the man's praises as part of the curriculum.

If there is a "rise in popularity" it is among those dissatisfied with the current situation.(current meaning since the collapse of the Soviet Union) Russia has a lot of problems and communism has always been an easy sell to those who have nothing.
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Well, duh. No one is claiming the educated and well-heeled are into Stalin.
 
Simpleχity;1064107325 said:
That's exactly what the US and other countries are doing... isolating Crimea legally and peacefully. There are no US military forces involved whatsoever.
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no, we're also sanctioning Russia at a time when plummeting oil prices are also hurting their economy. it's a stupid pissing match that we shouldn't be participating in. it's like if we made Puerto Rico a state and Russia didn't like it, so they organized all of their buddies to hurt our economy. it's just ****ing stupid cold war horse****.

we have a nation of our own to fix, and we don't need to be in pissing contests with half of the world.
 
annata said:
Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'


some colorful language -read other sources for more in depth.
He also mention US torture post 9-11, and lashes out at a question about political reform.

Be interesting to see if Russia can diversify from an extractive economy; or as McCain called it
"a glorified gas station"
EDIT: his annual news conference
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When the bear goes on a killing rampage a chain is a good idea.
 
DaveFagan said:
Keep in mind that Russia suffered 20 million casualties
in WWII helping the allies snuff Hitler..
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There you go with your revisionist history again. Russia had no choice but to fight Hitler as he invaded their country. You make psychopath Stalin sound like he had redeeming qualities.

Poor, poor Russia and the former USSR such a victim. Oh brother.
 
ecofarm said:
I've seen countless polls from countless sources. When this phenomenon broke, years ago, pretty much every polling company got involved.
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I asked you a simple question regarding specific source material (polls) which were mentioned in specific articles that you've posted... answer the question or get lost Eco.

I"ll repeat it again: Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
 
Fallenangel said:
Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
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Fallenangel said:
I asked you a simple question regarding specific source material (polls) which were mentioned in specific articles that you've posted... answer the question or get lost Eco.

I"ll repeat it again: Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
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I don't give a **** about those specific articles. As I noted: "Let me google that for you". Those were the first two articles on google, there are hundreds, some more legit than others. The phenom cannot be denied.

Want more googling done for you?

Dictator Stalin voted third most popular Russian | Reuters

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/opinion/global/stalins-long-shadow.html?_r=0

Josef Stalin: revered and reviled in modern Russia - Telegraph
 
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Helix said:
no, we're also sanctioning Russia at a time when plummeting oil prices are also hurting their economy. it's a stupid pissing match that we shouldn't be participating in. it's like if we made Puerto Rico a state and Russia didn't like it, so they organized all of their buddies to hurt our economy. it's just ****ing stupid cold war horse****.

we have a nation of our own to fix, and we don't need to be in pissing contests with half of the world.
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The USA is using its' World Reserve Currency Status to pursue
economic warfare against Nations who do not desire to participate
in Western Banking Hegemony. This is seen by all Nations and
will cause long term reverberations to the Western Banking cartels.
Nations, like Russia, who's economies produce surplus capital due
to extractive industries would, in any other time in history, be the
envy of the World. This surplus capital that the Russians hold will
mitigate the Western Banker's attacks, but the Russian people will
suffer for the several years it takes to coordinate alternate banking,
financing, currency arrangements and build a coalition of supportive
Nations. This could have been avoided with a sane USA policy, instead
of the continued NWO (CorpGov) model favored by Western Capital
Elitists. The Elitists will profit handsomely from the new Cold War
just like they profit from Hot Wars, but they fear genuine peace, because
they need collective fear to keep the profits flowing. Expect a continuing
barrage of MSM demons to generate that required fear. By the way, who
owns the MSM and do they get what they pay for?
 
DaveFagan said:
The USA is using its' World Reserve Currency Status to pursue
economic warfare against Nations who do not desire to participate
in Western Banking Hegemony. This is seen by all Nations and
will cause long term reverberations to the Western Banking cartels.
Nations, like Russia, who's economies produce surplus capital due
to extractive industries would, in any other time in history, be the
envy of the World. This surplus capital that the Russians hold will
mitigate the Western Banker's attacks, but the Russian people will
suffer for the several years it takes to coordinate alternate banking,
financing, currency arrangements and build a coalition of supportive
Nations. This could have been avoided with a sane USA policy, instead
of the continued NWO (CorpGov) model favored by Western Capital
Elitists. The Elitists will profit handsomely from the new Cold War
just like they profit from Hot Wars, but they fear genuine peace, because
they need collective fear to keep the profits flowing. Expect a continuing
barrage of MSM demons to generate that required fear. By the way, who
owns the MSM and do they get what they pay for?
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i'm not really into shadowy CT. i just think that we have a bunch of power players who are still clinging to the foreign policy playbook of the 1950s. as for the financial angle, capitalism naturally progresses to fewer and fewer winners when it's not properly regulated. do they do some slimy ****? sure. however, they are too individually greedy to conspire very well across the entire global banking industry, IMO.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't give a **** about those specific articles. As I noted: "Let me google that for you". Those were the first two articles on google, there are hundreds, some more legit than others. The phenom cannot be denied.

Want more googling done for you?

Dictator Stalin voted third most popular Russian | Reuters

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/opinion/global/stalins-long-shadow.html?_r=0

Josef Stalin: revered and reviled in modern Russia - Telegraph
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I don't give a **** about a crapload of articles that you or anyone else can google, the only important part is the validity of the information upon each and every article is based and its interpretation by the journalist.

Hence, I am asking you for the third time now: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
There you go with your revisionist history again. Russia had no choice but to fight Hitler as he invaded their country. You make psychopath Stalin sound like he had redeeming qualities.

Poor, poor Russia and the former USSR such a victim. Oh brother.
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Let's keep it in context. Stalin did have redeeming qualities because
if the Germans had not been required to send so many troops to Russia,
they would have won the War. When the USA entered the war, much of the
German army had been defeated in Russia or could not be moved to fight
in Europe. I'm not making Stalin a hero, just acknowledging history that
the USA does not like to acknowledge, even though it is true. Everybody
likes to pat themselves on the back for liberating Europe while ignoring
the key military information that it was because of Russia's strong defense
that caused Hitler's plan to screw the pooch. Russia was a victim and I
don't think they have forgotten that. Right now Russia is in a war, a real
economic war with Western Banking Cartels and do you have any say with
these Banksters and their machinations? I vote and I have no say. As a
matter of fact, nobody asked me about my opinion of using our banks
for World Hegemony by expansion of "Vulture Corporatism," or is that
just another option of NWO (CorpGov)? I don't think Joe Blow in Kokomo
gives a dam, but wouldn't mind seeing more concentration on infrastructure
locally, here in the USA, don't ya' know? We don't need to help BP steal
Ukranian Gas, or Cargill steal Ukranian Agro, or the IMF steal the Ukraine
Gas Transit pipeline, or install CIA stooges in Ukraine gov't positions. The
Western Banking modus operandi, eh?
 
Fallenangel said:
I don't give a **** about a crapload of articles that you or anyone else can google, the only important part is the validity of the information upon each and every article is based and its interpretation by the journalist.

Hence, I am asking you for the third time now: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
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Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.
 
ecofarm said:
Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.
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You have absolutely no understanding of what you're talking about. Case closed.

For the fourth time: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

Fallen.
 
The issue is the recreation of the USSR by invasion and throwing weapons into revolutions. Whether Russia is another world power along with others, or a super power threatening all of Europe, is what is at stake in Ukraine.

The history of Europe is the history of war. In the last century these wars spilled out all over the world, twice. The model of not allowing conquest of other countries and territory grabs of the strong against the weak has prevented this from happening now for 7 decades - unprecedented in European history. The reason to contain Russia is to prevent the next war.

With Putin deciding Russia wealth would be converted to military conquests by invading other countries directly or by funding violent armed revolution dividing people by ethnicity to do so, the need to financially beat Russia down is obvious and of Russia's own doing. All of this is reactive to Russian threats and land grabs.

Russia has no complaint. Russia started this. Putin is using weapons, violence, death, military threats to obtain his land grabs including grabbing more oil and gas resources by stealing them for other countries. The rest of the world is using economics to slow him down. In this, Putin really is the bad guy.
 
ecofarm said:
Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.
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So what? Germans like Hitler. Japanese liked the Emperor. And Americans liked Andrew Jackson killing Native Americans. Being popular has nothing to do with justice or endangerment.
 
DaveFagan said:
Let's keep it in context. Stalin did have redeeming qualities because
if the Germans had not been required to send so many troops to Russia,
they would have won the War. When the USA entered the war, much of the
German army had been defeated in Russia or could not be moved to fight
in Europe. I'm not making Stalin a hero, just acknowledging history that
the USA does not like to acknowledge, even though it is true. Everybody
likes to pat themselves on the back for liberating Europe while ignoring
the key military information that it was because of Russia's strong defense
that caused Hitler's plan to screw the pooch. Russia was a victim and I
don't think they have forgotten that. Right now Russia is in a war, a real
economic war with Western Banking Cartels and do you have any say with
these Banksters and their machinations? I vote and I have no say. As a
matter of fact, nobody asked me about my opinion of using our banks
for World Hegemony by expansion of "Vulture Corporatism," or is that
just another option of NWO (CorpGov)? I don't think Joe Blow in Kokomo
gives a dam, but wouldn't mind seeing more concentration on infrastructure
locally, here in the USA, don't ya' know? We don't need to help BP steal
Ukranian Gas, or Cargill steal Ukranian Agro, or the IMF steal the Ukraine
Gas Transit pipeline, or install CIA stooges in Ukraine gov't positions. The
Western Banking modus operandi, eh?
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Yes, that is exactly what need be done.

Hiding behind a wall from the rest of the world has never worked. Check out the effectively of China's Great Wall.

History is litters with nations that have vanished off the face of the earth to empires - nearly all nations. How did we'll just stay on our own land and not otherwise intervene work out for Native Americans? Any Native American nation still exist? What happened to all the countries mentioned in the Bible? How many countries were obliterated into non-existence by the Roman Empire, Egyptian and Chinese Empire?

Americans are so spoiled, so believe they are entitled, there is total ignorance and denial of why the USA is wealthy, why the USA is free, and what American history is. America is wealthy and powerful because of America's excellence in war and in foreign policy - backed up by the military. This is why the American dollar is still respected. The primary reasons armies are not warring all over the world.

Withdraw from the world and the American economy collapses. As it does, chaos will lead to more lose of civil liberties and the country would swing radically to the left/socialism. Social benefits dollars worth would be a fraction what they are now, the standard of living will fall thru the floor, and it will take American sweatshops to keep people from starving.

But spoiled, naïve and uneducated Americans believe we are just entitled to all we have, that it all just comes for free.
 
ecofarm said:
hahaha



Tense change.
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Good observation on a tense-error. No, Germans for the most part don't like Hitler, though a poll will show a few do.
 
joko104 said:
Yes, that is exactly what need be done.

Hiding behind a wall from the rest of the world has never worked. Check out the effectively of China's Great Wall.

History is litters with nations that have vanished off the face of the earth to empires - nearly all nations. How did we'll just stay on our own land and not otherwise intervene work out for Native Americans? Any Native American nation still exist? What happened to all the countries mentioned in the Bible? How many countries were obliterated into non-existence by the Roman Empire, Egyptian and Chinese Empire?

Americans are so spoiled, so believe they are entitled, there is total ignorance and denial of why the USA is wealthy, why the USA is free, and what American history is. America is wealthy and powerful because of America's excellence in war and in foreign policy - backed up by the military. This is why the American dollar is still respected. The primary reasons armies are not warring all over the world.

Withdraw from the world and the American economy collapses. As it does, chaos will lead to more lose of civil liberties and the country would swing radically to the left/socialism. Social benefits dollars worth would be a fraction what they are now, the standard of living will fall thru the floor, and it will take American sweatshops to keep people from starving.

But spoiled, naïve and uneducated Americans believe we are just entitled to all we have, that it all just comes for free.
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Our general disagreement is a simple thing. You believe the "Empire"
is a good thing and I think it is the manifestation of evil in the form
of the Epmire's Banksters. When you allow private CORPORATE
banks to run your Nation, you are sliding into the septic tank of
history. Growth and expansion of power by Military aggression and
economic hegemony may be profitable, but never right. I realize that
Vulture CORPORATISM thrives on this scenario.
 
Helix said:
it's like if we made Puerto Rico a state and Russia didn't like it, so they organized all of their buddies to hurt our economy.
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Try a more apt analogy. The US invades Nova Scotia and annexes it as the 51[sup]st[/sup] state.

Neither Canada nor the rest of the world would be amused. There would be hell to pay and rightfully so.
 
Simpleχity;1064109009 said:
Try a more apt analogy. The US invades Nova Scotia and annexes it as the 51[sup]st[/sup] state.

Neither Canada nor the rest of the world would be amused. There would be hell to pay and rightfully so.
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does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical? Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.

we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.
 
Helix said:
does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical? Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.

we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.
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You don't get to vote me into a dictatorship. The majority in Crimea has no right to bring the minority into an authoritarian state. Their wishes are irrelevant. Civil rights are far more important than popular sovereignty.
 
Helix said:
does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical?
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Under heavy political and military occupation.

Helix said:
Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.
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The US has no control over global oil prices. Note to Russia: It is absurd to base your economy on a single commodity.

Helix said:
we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.
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This is not a sole US initiative. Sanctions have also been levied by the EU and the G20 nations. One hundred nations of the UN General Assembly have also condemned Russia's theft of Crimea.
 
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