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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you don't like Russia. WGAF? maybe you should go poke Putin in the eye.
    I had little quarrel with Russia until it leaped over the border with troops and tanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    meanwhile, we've been globetrotting for at least three decades, involving ourselves in cold wars, hot wars, and everything in between. it's time to get out of the war business and fix our own house. the rest of the world can fistfight if it likes.
    Then I suggest you contact your government representatives. Both houses of Congress voted *unanimously* to pass the Ukraine Freedom Act of 2014 and Obama *signed it* into law.

    New sanctions were imposed on Crimea yesterday.

    US hits Crimea with new sanctions

    EU approves new Crimea sanctions


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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I would prefer to put it in a grave but a chain will suffice.
    Why? Because US liberals are pissed off that the Russian elite have an aversion to homsexuality?

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Russian nationalism at work. He's still got high poll numbers there - a lot of support - not just from the old people who watch state TV.
    As I said on another thread having high poll numbers in a dictatorship where the govt runs the media isn't that hard to do.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Currently, Russia is swamped with bureaucrats, and low quality "professionals" that breed corruption and incompetence, both are still a disease that Russia as a whole struggles to deal with. These factors combined with several others make Russia's economy as weak as it is today.
    This is going to make things very difficult for Russia.

    Russia is facing sanctions and fast moving market situations. The sanctions are being implemented by people who can draw on a huge amount of first hand and institutional knowledge on how international currency, oil, banking etc markets work and where to apply pressure.

    Meanwhile, Russia has only been capitalist for twenty years. As such, they lack the institutional knowledge on how to counter the effects of the sanctions. And.... some, or many, of Russian decision makers may also lack first hand knowledge and the academic talent to offer effective solutions.

    All the more reason for Putin to abandon his plans to turn Ukraine into a Russian protectorate and just be content with Crimea. He can still claim a huge victory. But, noooo.... Putin evidently responds with a 3.5 hour rambling speech.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Try a more apt analogy. The US invades Nova Scotia and annexes it as the 51st state.

    Neither Canada nor the rest of the world would be amused. There would be hell to pay and rightfully so.
    Your analogy ignores reality.

    Try Russia initiates coup to take over Canada. The US, with 25,000 soldiers at bases already leased
    from pre-takeover Canada in Nova Scotia which was given to Canada by the US and has many US
    natives, vote to allow annexation by US and not be ruled by an illegal coup.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    When will Russian consciousness elevate to an above "Russian Bear" level?
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What Putin says is true. We are conducting an "Economic War" against Russia.
    The sanctions are economic war and it is very likely that John Kerry's August
    trip to Saudi Arabia was to request for an OIL price drop to corral the Russian "Gas
    Station,(McCain), by squeezing the product that generates about 60% or more
    of the Russian economy. Keep in mind that Russia suffered 20 million casualties
    in WWII helping the allies snuff Hitler. We've been treating them like an enemy
    ever since. The backstory is that CORPORATISM is deathly afraid of Communism
    because it is labor oriented instead of Elitist Capital oriented. Russia's actions
    to co-ordinate the BRICS Nations and develop alternative banking, currency, and
    financing arrangements are what is behind the USA intrigue to bankrupt Russia.
    The USA is colluding with the World's largest banks and uses the power of the
    Reserve Currency against Russia. Russia must operate with its' own surplus
    capital whereas the USA continuously writes checks (new money/debt) to add
    to Trillions of dollars of debt that the money structure of the World must tolerate.
    Russia is organizing a threat to that Unlimited Debt hegemony. If China and India
    decide to help Russia with their large surpluses, Russia will recover more rapidly,
    Irregardless, Russia will recover and develop a more independent economy and, most
    definitely, an alternative banking environment. Russia is the new boogeyman of the
    "Mighty Wurlitzer" CIA generated narrative and big boost to the Military Industrial
    Corporate Complex that needs a focused potential enemy/threat to keep the DOLLARS
    flowing. Over 60% of the US economy goes to Military Offense. Does that make people
    proud? I don't think so.
    We may have treated Russia "like an enemy" because of Stalin the dictator then, but these sanctions are a response to Russian hegemony and annexation of a foreign territory of Crimea, and above all Putin who behaves like a dictator too.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your analogy ignores reality.

    Try Russia initiates coup to take over Canada. The US, with 25,000 soldiers at bases already leased
    from pre-takeover Canada in Nova Scotia which was given to Canada by the US and has many US
    natives, vote to allow annexation by US and not be ruled by an illegal coup.
    And this analogy is supposed to represent reality?
    In what alternate universe?
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'


    some colorful language -read other sources for more in depth.
    He also mention US torture post 9-11, and lashes out at a question about political reform.

    Be interesting to see if Russia can diversify from an extractive economy; or as McCain called it
    "a glorified gas station"
    EDIT: his annual news conference
    Not on a chain per say, but just to not be a dick. I think we'd be happy with that.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A few years ago I spoke to a Kuwaiti businessman who moved to the USA. In his view Kuwait was a victim of both Iraq and then the USA.
    So this Kuwaiti feels he was a victim of the U.S., that it took advantage of Kuwait, but he moved here? How curious. I suppose he stops short of saying we should have let Saddam have it so he could continue his brutal occupation?

    Anyway, if that's the way he feels about the U.S. then he should go back to Kuwait. We already have enough people in this country who don't appreciate it. We don't need more.
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