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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, that is exactly what need be done.

    Hiding behind a wall from the rest of the world has never worked. Check out the effectively of China's Great Wall.

    History is litters with nations that have vanished off the face of the earth to empires - nearly all nations. How did we'll just stay on our own land and not otherwise intervene work out for Native Americans? Any Native American nation still exist? What happened to all the countries mentioned in the Bible? How many countries were obliterated into non-existence by the Roman Empire, Egyptian and Chinese Empire?

    Americans are so spoiled, so believe they are entitled, there is total ignorance and denial of why the USA is wealthy, why the USA is free, and what American history is. America is wealthy and powerful because of America's excellence in war and in foreign policy - backed up by the military. This is why the American dollar is still respected. The primary reasons armies are not warring all over the world.

    Withdraw from the world and the American economy collapses. As it does, chaos will lead to more lose of civil liberties and the country would swing radically to the left/socialism. Social benefits dollars worth would be a fraction what they are now, the standard of living will fall thru the floor, and it will take American sweatshops to keep people from starving.

    But spoiled, naïve and uneducated Americans believe we are just entitled to all we have, that it all just comes for free.
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    history. Growth and expansion of power by Military aggression and
    economic hegemony may be profitable, but never right. I realize that
    Vulture CORPORATISM thrives on this scenario.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's like if we made Puerto Rico a state and Russia didn't like it, so they organized all of their buddies to hurt our economy.
    Try a more apt analogy. The US invades Nova Scotia and annexes it as the 51st state.

    Neither Canada nor the rest of the world would be amused. There would be hell to pay and rightfully so.


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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Try a more apt analogy. The US invades Nova Scotia and annexes it as the 51st state.

    Neither Canada nor the rest of the world would be amused. There would be hell to pay and rightfully so.
    does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical? Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.

    we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical? Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.

    we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.
    You don't get to vote me into a dictatorship. The majority in Crimea has no right to bring the minority into an authoritarian state. Their wishes are irrelevant. Civil rights are far more important than popular sovereignty.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    does Nova Scotia vote to be annexed in this hypothetical?
    Under heavy political and military occupation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Russia would have no right to destroy our economy, and we would look at it as an act of war.
    The US has no control over global oil prices. Note to Russia: It is absurd to base your economy on a single commodity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we are not the pro bono global police. it is the responsibility of the region to figure this out. the US is not Europe. if you don't believe me, go to a hospital in America and wait two weeks for the bill.
    This is not a sole US initiative. Sanctions have also been levied by the EU and the G20 nations. One hundred nations of the UN General Assembly have also condemned Russia's theft of Crimea.


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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You don't get to vote me into a dictatorship. The majority in Crimea has no right to bring the minority into an authoritarian state. Their wishes are irrelevant. Civil rights are far more important than popular sovereignty.
    Important qualification is that you don't get to vote me into a dictatorship unless you have the power to make it happen.

    Even most of North America was acquired by right of conquest more than anything else.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Putin put Russian bear on chain, that's obvious.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel - previously a close friend of Putin - was succinct and spot-on as to why the theft of Crimea concerns *everyone* in the global community...

    “We are suddenly confronted with a conflict that goes, so to speak, to the core of our values,” Ms. Merkel said in Sydney, Australia, in November. “Old thinking in terms of spheres of influence, in which international law is trampled upon, cannot be allowed to assert itself.”

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Under heavy political and military occupation.


    The US has no control over global oil prices. Note to Russia: It is absurd to base your economy on a single commodity.


    This is not a sole US initiative. Sanctions have also been levied by the EU and the G20 nations. One hundred nations of the UN General Assembly have also condemned Russia's theft of Crimea.

    you don't like Russia. WGAF? maybe you should go poke Putin in the eye. meanwhile, we've been globetrotting for at least three decades, involving ourselves in cold wars, hot wars, and everything in between. it's time to get out of the war business and fix our own house. the rest of the world can fistfight if it likes.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you don't like Russia. WGAF? maybe you should go poke Putin in the eye. meanwhile, we've been globetrotting for at least three decades, involving ourselves in cold wars, hot wars, and everything in between. it's time to get out of the war business and fix our own house. the rest of the world can fistfight if it likes.
    You're asking way too much, the USA wouldn't be the USA if it weren't meddling in other people's affairs.

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