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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The USA is using its' World Reserve Currency Status to pursue
    economic warfare against Nations who do not desire to participate
    in Western Banking Hegemony. This is seen by all Nations and
    will cause long term reverberations to the Western Banking cartels.
    Nations, like Russia, who's economies produce surplus capital due
    to extractive industries would, in any other time in history, be the
    envy of the World. This surplus capital that the Russians hold will
    mitigate the Western Banker's attacks, but the Russian people will
    suffer for the several years it takes to coordinate alternate banking,
    financing, currency arrangements and build a coalition of supportive
    Nations. This could have been avoided with a sane USA policy, instead
    of the continued NWO (CorpGov) model favored by Western Capital
    Elitists. The Elitists will profit handsomely from the new Cold War
    just like they profit from Hot Wars, but they fear genuine peace, because
    they need collective fear to keep the profits flowing. Expect a continuing
    barrage of MSM demons to generate that required fear. By the way, who
    owns the MSM and do they get what they pay for?
    i'm not really into shadowy CT. i just think that we have a bunch of power players who are still clinging to the foreign policy playbook of the 1950s. as for the financial angle, capitalism naturally progresses to fewer and fewer winners when it's not properly regulated. do they do some slimy ****? sure. however, they are too individually greedy to conspire very well across the entire global banking industry, IMO.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't give a **** about those specific articles. As I noted: "Let me google that for you". Those were the first two articles on google, there are hundreds, some more legit than others. The phenom cannot be denied.

    Want more googling done for you?

    Dictator Stalin voted third most popular Russian | Reuters

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/op...adow.html?_r=0

    Josef Stalin: revered and reviled in modern Russia - Telegraph
    I don't give a **** about a crapload of articles that you or anyone else can google, the only important part is the validity of the information upon each and every article is based and its interpretation by the journalist.

    Hence, I am asking you for the third time now: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    There you go with your revisionist history again. Russia had no choice but to fight Hitler as he invaded their country. You make psychopath Stalin sound like he had redeeming qualities.

    Poor, poor Russia and the former USSR such a victim. Oh brother.
    Let's keep it in context. Stalin did have redeeming qualities because
    if the Germans had not been required to send so many troops to Russia,
    they would have won the War. When the USA entered the war, much of the
    German army had been defeated in Russia or could not be moved to fight
    in Europe. I'm not making Stalin a hero, just acknowledging history that
    the USA does not like to acknowledge, even though it is true. Everybody
    likes to pat themselves on the back for liberating Europe while ignoring
    the key military information that it was because of Russia's strong defense
    that caused Hitler's plan to screw the pooch. Russia was a victim and I
    don't think they have forgotten that. Right now Russia is in a war, a real
    economic war with Western Banking Cartels and do you have any say with
    these Banksters and their machinations? I vote and I have no say. As a
    matter of fact, nobody asked me about my opinion of using our banks
    for World Hegemony by expansion of "Vulture Corporatism," or is that
    just another option of NWO (CorpGov)? I don't think Joe Blow in Kokomo
    gives a dam, but wouldn't mind seeing more concentration on infrastructure
    locally, here in the USA, don't ya' know? We don't need to help BP steal
    Ukranian Gas, or Cargill steal Ukranian Agro, or the IMF steal the Ukraine
    Gas Transit pipeline, or install CIA stooges in Ukraine gov't positions. The
    Western Banking modus operandi, eh?

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I don't give a **** about a crapload of articles that you or anyone else can google, the only important part is the validity of the information upon each and every article is based and its interpretation by the journalist.

    Hence, I am asking you for the third time now: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

    Fallen.
    Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.
    You have absolutely no understanding of what you're talking about. Case closed.

    For the fourth time: Regarding the first two articles that you posted, Have you read/seen the actual polling data these articles are referring to?

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    The issue is the recreation of the USSR by invasion and throwing weapons into revolutions. Whether Russia is another world power along with others, or a super power threatening all of Europe, is what is at stake in Ukraine.

    The history of Europe is the history of war. In the last century these wars spilled out all over the world, twice. The model of not allowing conquest of other countries and territory grabs of the strong against the weak has prevented this from happening now for 7 decades - unprecedented in European history. The reason to contain Russia is to prevent the next war.

    With Putin deciding Russia wealth would be converted to military conquests by invading other countries directly or by funding violent armed revolution dividing people by ethnicity to do so, the need to financially beat Russia down is obvious and of Russia's own doing. All of this is reactive to Russian threats and land grabs.

    Russia has no complaint. Russia started this. Putin is using weapons, violence, death, military threats to obtain his land grabs including grabbing more oil and gas resources by stealing them for other countries. The rest of the world is using economics to slow him down. In this, Putin really is the bad guy.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Many Russians are fond of Stalin and Putin has facilitated a surge of such. Case closed.
    So what? Germans like Hitler. Japanese liked the Emperor. And Americans liked Andrew Jackson killing Native Americans. Being popular has nothing to do with justice or endangerment.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So what? Germans like Hitler.
    hahaha

    Americans liked
    Tense change.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's keep it in context. Stalin did have redeeming qualities because
    if the Germans had not been required to send so many troops to Russia,
    they would have won the War. When the USA entered the war, much of the
    German army had been defeated in Russia or could not be moved to fight
    in Europe. I'm not making Stalin a hero, just acknowledging history that
    the USA does not like to acknowledge, even though it is true. Everybody
    likes to pat themselves on the back for liberating Europe while ignoring
    the key military information that it was because of Russia's strong defense
    that caused Hitler's plan to screw the pooch. Russia was a victim and I
    don't think they have forgotten that. Right now Russia is in a war, a real
    economic war with Western Banking Cartels and do you have any say with
    these Banksters and their machinations? I vote and I have no say. As a
    matter of fact, nobody asked me about my opinion of using our banks
    for World Hegemony by expansion of "Vulture Corporatism," or is that
    just another option of NWO (CorpGov)? I don't think Joe Blow in Kokomo
    gives a dam, but wouldn't mind seeing more concentration on infrastructure
    locally, here in the USA, don't ya' know? We don't need to help BP steal
    Ukranian Gas, or Cargill steal Ukranian Agro, or the IMF steal the Ukraine
    Gas Transit pipeline, or install CIA stooges in Ukraine gov't positions. The
    Western Banking modus operandi, eh?
    Yes, that is exactly what need be done.

    Hiding behind a wall from the rest of the world has never worked. Check out the effectively of China's Great Wall.

    History is litters with nations that have vanished off the face of the earth to empires - nearly all nations. How did we'll just stay on our own land and not otherwise intervene work out for Native Americans? Any Native American nation still exist? What happened to all the countries mentioned in the Bible? How many countries were obliterated into non-existence by the Roman Empire, Egyptian and Chinese Empire?

    Americans are so spoiled, so believe they are entitled, there is total ignorance and denial of why the USA is wealthy, why the USA is free, and what American history is. America is wealthy and powerful because of America's excellence in war and in foreign policy - backed up by the military. This is why the American dollar is still respected. The primary reasons armies are not warring all over the world.

    Withdraw from the world and the American economy collapses. As it does, chaos will lead to more lose of civil liberties and the country would swing radically to the left/socialism. Social benefits dollars worth would be a fraction what they are now, the standard of living will fall thru the floor, and it will take American sweatshops to keep people from starving.

    But spoiled, naïve and uneducated Americans believe we are just entitled to all we have, that it all just comes for free.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    hahaha



    Tense change.
    Good observation on a tense-error. No, Germans for the most part don't like Hitler, though a poll will show a few do.

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