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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I had little quarrel with Russia until it leaped over the border with troops and tanks.


    Then I suggest you contact your government representatives. Both houses of Congress voted *unanimously* to pass the Ukraine Freedom Act of 2014 and Obama *signed it* into law.

    New sanctions were imposed on Crimea yesterday.

    US hits Crimea with new sanctions

    EU approves new Crimea sanctions
    i am already aware that our government is almost unanimously interventionist. i don't need links to prove it; we've maintained a nearly constant state of war for decades, and for the most of the 20th century.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    This is going to make things very difficult for Russia.

    Russia is facing sanctions and fast moving market situations. The sanctions are being implemented by people who can draw on a huge amount of first hand and institutional knowledge on how international currency, oil, banking etc markets work and where to apply pressure.

    Meanwhile, Russia has only been capitalist for twenty years. As such, they lack the institutional knowledge on how to counter the effects of the sanctions. And.... some, or many, of Russian decision makers may also lack first hand knowledge and the academic talent to offer effective solutions.

    All the more reason for Putin to abandon his plans to turn Ukraine into a Russian protectorate and just be content with Crimea. He can still claim a huge victory. But, noooo.... Putin evidently responds with a 3.5 hour rambling speech.
    Generally agree with you except of few small points:
    a. Russia as a whole has 0 years of experience of being capitalist (like US for instance) as the things that happened in the 90's and early 00's weren't capitalism but simply thievery on a scale of the entire country.
    There are some professionals in every field, but as I said it is extremely hard for them to get to positions where they can actually change things.

    b. Putin (according to what I know) never had plans to turn Ukraine into Russian "protectorate" (whatever this means in your context). This asinine "understanding" of the conflict is unfortunately shared by multiple so-called experts in the West, which in turn promote it to the levels gov. and the general population.

    Didn't we already go through this discussion in some other thread?
    When one starts to look closely at the nitty-gritty facts on the ground without injecting multiple assumptions the conclusions are sometimes drastically different from the ones you draw.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    So this Kuwaiti feels he was a victim of the U.S., that it took advantage of Kuwait, but he moved here? How curious. I suppose he stops short of saying we should have let Saddam have it so he could continue his brutal occupation?

    Anyway, if that's the way he feels about the U.S. then he should go back to Kuwait. We already have enough people in this country who don't appreciate it. We don't need more.
    He appreciates the USA very much and wants to be one of us, not one of them - and Kuwaitis are one of them. That's his view of it. Go live with the winners and be one of them, not one of the losers and victims. A wise decision.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Generally agree with you except of few small points:
    a. Russia as a whole has 0 years of experience of being capitalist (like US for instance) as the things that happened in the 90's and early 00's weren't capitalism but simply thievery on a scale of the entire country.
    There are some professionals in every field, but as I said it is extremely hard for them to get to positions where they can actually change things.

    b. Putin (according to what I know) never had plans to turn Ukraine into Russian "protectorate" (whatever this means in your context). This asinine "understanding" of the conflict is unfortunately shared by multiple so-called experts in the West, which in turn promote it to the levels gov. and the general population.

    Didn't we already go through this discussion in some other thread?
    When one starts to look closely at the nitty-gritty facts on the ground without injecting multiple assumptions the conclusions are sometimes drastically different from the ones you draw.

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    Turn, Putin has already made Crimea captured Russian territory, not a protectorate. He doesn't want to protect Eastern Ukraine. It wants its resources, land and industry.

    Putin has the balls - and stupidity - to think that on his personality power he could take on every other oil interests country and entity in the world, kick NATO in the nuts, piss on the Saudis and start rolling into Eastern European countries - and everyone was supposed to tremble at him acting like a maniac with tacit threats of nuclear war.

    No, Putin can not win an economic war with the rest of the world. The petroleum countries have opened their valves wide open. This is REALLY pissing off investors - who blame Putin - so the money people have turned on him. Others are taking him on because of ego and his now vulnerability. He can try to cut a long term deal with China - but those are some LONG pipelines to build. And he doesn't have the pipes.

    Yeah he could take on the Ukraine. Take on all of Europe. But taking on the worldwide petroleum empire and the worldwide money people? Naw, nobody can do that. They're going to cut him down to submission or removal - Putin's choice.

    The shelves are going bare, inflation is growing, the value of government and military paychecks is dwindling, the Russian oligarchs are increasingly bitching, a cold winter is coming, and the powerful people of the world are laughing at him. They don't see him as powerful, they see him as a foolish nutcase.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Turn, Putin has already made Crimea captured Russian territory, not a protectorate. He doesn't want to protect Eastern Ukraine. It wants its resources, land and industry....
    I stopped reading after "it wants its resources, land and industry".
    Please educate yourself a bit about Russia, the conflict in Ukraine and its chronology.

    On a general note, that is exactly the problem I keep talking about.
    People that don't know the difference between Prohorov and Prohanov keep spouting and promoting their "informed" opinions about Russia, Ukraine and the recent conflict... unfortunately ordinary people on both sides of the Pacific Ocean start drowning in these delusions.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    I stopped reading after "it wants its resources, land and industry".
    ITAR-TASS | Ukraine estimates lost Crimean shale gas resources at $40 billion

    Ukraine estimated Crimean offshore gas resources at $40 billion, Ukrainian parliament-appointed Energy Minister Yuriy Prodan said in an interview to Brussels Euractiv media. "We have lost important areas on the Black Sea shelf. We estimate the losses at $40 billion as possible revenues from extraction of shale gas in Crimea," Prodan said.

    As ITAR-TASS reported earlier, gas reserves in Crimea's territory were estimated at 165.3 billion cubic meters, oil at 47 million tonnes and gas condensate at 18.2 million tonnes. The figures were cited by Russian Natural Resources and Ecology Minister Sergei Donskoi. There are 44 hydrocarbon deposits in the peninsula's territory, including ten oil, 27 gas and seven gas condensate fields. In addition, there are five gas fields and three gas condensate fields on the shelf of the Black Sea, and six gas deposits in the Sea of Azov.


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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    And?!?...

    According to a user on DP with a nick Fallenangel "the estimated Crimean offshore gas resources are at $1 billion...", see how easy it is.

    Sometimes I think that you really have absolute no relation to Russia or Ukraine whatsoever, as your knowledge of these countries history, interests, and motivation is simply nonexistent.

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    He could always counter OPEC's dumping of their product by proxy.

    Have Iran start escalating things to the point where they block off the Straights of Hormuz or bait Israel into a attack on Iran's Nuclear sites. Oil prices would shoot through the roof.
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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    As I said on another thread having high poll numbers in a dictatorship where the govt runs the media isn't that hard to do.
    Vladimir Putin's Poll Numbers Still Aren't Declining - Forbes

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    Re: Putin: West wants to put Russian bear 'on a chain'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    And they get those poll numbers from Putin controlled media. As such they are worthless
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