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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So how is it the rest of the industrialized world is affording it just fine? And having more social mobility? And being generally healthier and longer lived? And having just as much liberty in their lives as we do?
    Lol !!

    Yea right. " Liberty " gets you free health care.

    More like confiscatory taxes gets you " free stuff '' !!

    Obviously, your version of left utopia couldn't be done in Vermont. Without a private sector there is no way to pay for all of these Public Sector giveaways.

    A massive tax increase kills the economy as these businesses look for better places to set up shop to avoid the nonsense.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    50 percent?
    They also don't have to pay health insurance premiums and college tuition is like $500 a semester.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!

    Yea right. " Liberty " gets you free health care.

    More like confiscatory taxes gets you " free stuff '' !!

    Obviously, your version of left utopia couldn't be done in Vermont. Without a private sector there is no way to pay for all of these Public Sector giveaways.

    A massive tax increase kills the economy as these businesses look for better places to set up shop to avoid the nonsense.
    "Confiscatory" taxes? Wouldn't this describe all taxes? Are you against all taxes?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Confiscatory" taxes? Wouldn't this describe all taxes? Are you against all taxes?
    Excessive Bussiness killing taxes to pay for Socialist Healthcare would be a good example I suppose.

    Vermont's decision to offer Single payer was a great idea until it came time to pay for it all.

    Typical short sighted Liberal policies.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Excessive Bussiness killing taxes to pay for Socialist Healthcare would be a good example I suppose.

    Vermont's decision to offer Single payer was a great idea until it came time to pay for it all.

    Typical short sighted Liberal policies.
    It's a good thing Vermont can't print their own money like the federal government does. It has saved their citizen's children and grandchildren a massive, un-asked-for debt.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So how is it the rest of the industrialized world is affording it just fine? And having more social mobility? And being generally healthier and longer lived? And having just as much liberty in their lives as we do?
    I suspect that the difference is that somewhere along the line, the advocates of single payer were honest about what it would provide and what it would cost. That doesn't happen in the US. When the actual cost to each taxpayer is laid out there, as it was in Vermont, it is rejected even by liberals. If you really want the program you must first find an honest broker to pitch it to the nation. The only trouble is the liberal shysters who peddled the fraud that is Obamacare have set the liberal dream of single payer back by a generation.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So how is it the rest of the industrialized world is affording it just fine? And having more social mobility? And being generally healthier and longer lived? And having just as much liberty in their lives as we do?
    They aren't. the rest of the industrialized world is raising taxes and cutting back on services to try and keep their healthcare costs in line. they are urging more and more people to use their private insurance before the government.

    I don't see how paying 40% of what you make to the government as liberty.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So how is it the rest of the industrialized world is affording it just fine? And having more social mobility? And being generally healthier and longer lived? And having just as much liberty in their lives as we do?
    OK, so how come of the industrialized economies, including the US, why is it that the US economy is the one that is recovering and performing the strongest? Typically the shortest in recession, I believe.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    They aren't. the rest of the industrialized world is raising taxes and cutting back on services to try and keep their healthcare costs in line. they are urging more and more people to use their private insurance before the government.
    That is a very inaccurate statement of the economic hardships that other countries are facing. Very little of it comes from healthcare for the general population. Most of it comes from the additional costs of an aging population and rebuilding their economics after international private interests screwed everything up during the previous decade. Most nations with universal healthcare systems pay for them easily and have significantly better results and higher approval among their citizens than our system does.

    I don't see how paying 40% of what you make to the government as liberty.
    As it turns out, liberty has nothing to do with money in your pocket. It has to do with the options you have to determine the direction of your life. I can see why you resent taxation. Most of your taxes (and mine) go to making rich people richer. But that's a flaw in the priorities of our government (which would be solved by a stronger, not weaker, public sphere), not in the principle of public interest. Those nations get a lot more value for their tax money than we do. That's because they believe in robust public spending, rather than insane defense spending (which is a corporate windfall), a public healthcare system based around increasing the power of private healthcare (which is a corporate windfall), and huge corporate subsidies (which are a corporate windfall). If our tax money was being spent on the public like theirs is, you'd probably feel a lot better about spending it.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    They aren't. the rest of the industrialized world is raising taxes and cutting back on services to try and keep their healthcare costs in line. they are urging more and more people to use their private insurance before the government.

    I don't see how paying 40% of what you make to the government as liberty.
    " Liberty " to a Liberal is the illusion of " freedom " that comes with putting all your trust in Government

    Its the opposite of true freedom.

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