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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    Vermont bails on single-payer health care - Sarah Wheaton - POLITICO



    Terrible news. Just another example of how politicians will backstab the electorate right after the election.
    Wasn't going to work with that type of implementation. You can't do "single payer" while maintaining redundant medicare, medicaid, and private health insurance systems in a state with only a small population.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    Vermont bails on single-payer health care - Sarah Wheaton - POLITICO



    Terrible news. Just another example of how politicians will backstab the electorate right after the election.
    Single payer was going to cost Vermont taxpayers an additional twenty percent in state income tax. The governor decided rightly that voters would not support the tax. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Bottom line, left wing social dreams of utopia are unaffordable.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    A sad day. The United States will continue to lag behind the rest of the industrialized world when it comes to health.
    No its not.

    Its a good day. Reality triumphs over unaffordable left wing nonsense, again.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    Vermont bails on single-payer health care - Sarah Wheaton - POLITICO



    Terrible news. Just another example of how politicians will backstab the electorate right after the election.
    how is it terrible? the Gov made a wise decision. VT would have had to raise it's payroll deduction to about 11.5% on businesses
    an additional income tax of 9.5%.

    how is it terrible that he didn't want to destroy the VT economy? only a person with a myopic point of view would see this as terrible news.
    He is probably the only liberal out there that has realized just how unaffordable a single payer system would be.

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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    Single payer was going to cost Vermont taxpayers an additional twenty percent in state income tax. The governor decided rightly that voters would not support the tax. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Bottom line, left wing social dreams of utopia are unaffordable.
    An extra 20% in taxes?

    Vermont has its nuts - a lot of them, in fact - but they aren't this stupid. And the "Take back Vermont"ers have been arriving daily.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    No its not.

    Its a good day. Reality triumphs over unaffordable left wing nonsense, again.
    So how is it the rest of the industrialized world is affording it just fine? And having more social mobility? And being generally healthier and longer lived? And having just as much liberty in their lives as we do?
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    An extra 20% in taxes?

    Vermont has its nuts - a lot of them, in fact - but they aren't this stupid. And the "Take back Vermont"ers have been arriving daily.
    If you go to Belgium, which I mention because I have friends there, their highest tax rate is fifty percent, the lowest is ten percent. If a homeless guy makes a thousand dollars a year, he pays a hundred in taxes. Here they pay nothing. There is an ad valoum tax there on most durable goods of twenty percent, including gas and diesel. Their sales tax is fifteen to twenty percent on top of that. That's what their so called free health care and old age pension costs them. My friend has grown up with it and doesn't seem to mind. To me, he looks like a frog in boiling water who doesn't know the state owns him.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    If you go to Belgium, which I mention because I have friends there, their highest tax rate is fifty percent, the lowest is ten percent. If a homeless guy makes a thousand dollars a year, he pays a hundred in taxes. Here they pay nothing. There is an ad valoum tax there on most durable goods of twenty percent, including gas and diesel. Their sales tax is fifteen to twenty percent on top of that. That's what their so called free health care and old age pension costs them. My friend has grown up with it and doesn't seem to mind. To me, he looks like a frog in boiling water who doesn't know the state owns him.
    50 percent?
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

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    50 percent?
    That's their top marginal rate for income tax. All that other stuff is on top of that. If you have substantial income there, you give most of it to the government.
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    Re: Vermont Bails on Single-Payer Healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    That's their top marginal rate for income tax. All that other stuff is on top of that. If you have substantial income there, you give most of it to the government.
    My father was in the 50% tax bracket in this country when it still existed in the 1970s. He used to say how nasty it was to work an hour and half of it was government servitude.
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