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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh, good grief.
    Racist liberals, Kobie. Remember eugenics? Are you a fan?

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it's a matter of offense. And the threat is still coming from someone else, and that person should be held responsible. Especially since it is not a reliable threat.

    I'm not on the bandwagon to stop the world over unconfirmed or highly unlikely threats. Something like this, is not a likely threat. It also should never be the fault of the people to consider such a thing a legitimate threat. It would be one thing if you got a specific threat, at a specific theater, and that theater didn't take precautions, such as to have their theater checked for bombs or other things.

    This is not a legitimate threat. It is a general threat which has happened before and resulted in absolutely no deaths, nothing. It is empty as far as loss of life or attacks go in all likelihood.
    Yes, and the ISIS/ISIL/IS general threat asking supporters to kill innocent people using their cars or whatever other means they could was an idle threat too because it wasn't specific enough. That's why one Canadian soldier was run over and killed by a car driven by someone who took up the suggestion and another soldier was shot on Parliament Hill, at the Tomb for the Unknown Soldiers. And Sydney Australia also thinks the attack at the cafe there was no big deal.

    It's easy to sit on our asses in our safe homes or offices and recommend everyone ignore such threats. Flying planes into the World Trade Center was once considered impossible, something that would never happen. I fully understand and accept that Sony and the theaters had no interest in calling anyone's bluff.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If Sony had released the movie and if the distributors and theaters accepted it and and if an attack happened, Sony would take much of the blame, face massive lawsuits and suffer an even worse PR problem than they have now. Chances are many of the same people currently criticizing Sony for pulling the film would be even more critical towards them if there was a violent attack. They are in a no-win situation.
    Several things:

    1. Sony's capitulation occurred when there was no specific or credible threat according to U.S. law enforcement and intelligence officials.
    2. The movie theaters had already pulled the film. Sony didn't have to do anything and would have had the same substantive impact other than the visible effect of capitulating.
    3. Sony could have made the film available on DVD.

    Sony's decision was not a necessary requirement. Sony's capitulation has made cyber attacks more lucrative, as it had demonstrated such attacks can be very effective. It is also an example that Sony does not stand behind the creative community nor is it willing to stand up for creative expression.

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    By the idiotic logic used above? How about enemy at the gates?
    That wasn't my point, it was the ideological lean of hollywood, where America is the bad guy, where America is this awful, racist, sexist place (pick your favorite wedge issue or identity political group) where the soldier is the bad guy. Where celebrities paint the US as this horrible place. Thats cultural marxism of the hollywood variety.

    Its amazing how much you guys miss.
    I haven't seen Enemy at the Gates but I looked at the plot description. It doesn't sound pro-communist, just pro-Russian when they were fighting against Nazi Germany. I assume you know that Russia was on our side during WWII. Pointing out the flaws of our culture(racism, sexism etc) is not pro-communist. I know of no movie that claimed that other countries are perfect, or even significantly better, compared to the USA. Even in the anti-war movies I have seen, ordinary soldiers are not the bad guys. The bad guys are the crazy or fanatical soldiers who kill for pleasure, kill civilians indiscriminately or abuse the locals, not the regular troops. Cultural Marxism is an unfounded conspiracy theory used to red bait people who want the USA to be a more free, just and fair nation.

    "According to German political scientist Thomas Grumke, the new American extreme right undertook a reinterpretation of the enemy image in the 1990s because the classical Red Scare ceased working. Part of this strategy is the introduction of fighting terms such as “Cultural Marxism”, which is used by American conservatives to describe an alleged conspiratorial attempt of the Left to destroy the cultural and moral values of the United States through systematic attacks on the American Way of Life[citation needed]. According to the Frankfurt School conspiracy theory, Cultural Marxism supposedly began in the culture war of the 1930s when a small group of Jewish philosophers fled from the German Reich to the United States...."
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Several things:

    1. Sony's capitulation occurred when there was no specific or credible threat according to U.S. law enforcement and intelligence officials.
    2. The movie theaters had already pulled the film. Sony didn't have to do anything and would have had the same substantive impact other than the visible effect of capitulating.
    3. Sony could have made the film available on DVD.

    Sony's decision was not a necessary requirement. Sony's capitulation has made cyber attacks more lucrative, as it had demonstrated such attacks can be very effective. It is also an example that Sony does not stand behind the creative community nor is it willing to stand up for creative expression.
    I don't have strong feelings about Sony's decision. As I wrote previously "I understand why they cancelled it, but I am disappointed because it will encourage more threats of violence to stop content that someone dislikes. If we want to stand up to terrorist threats we have to be willing to risk the violence that might result. I don't think our country is ready to do that at this time. Even if we were willing to take the risk and accept some violence to keep our freedom the severity of the attacks could be escalated until we capitulate. There are no easy answers."

    I don't buy the notion that Sony would make the decision to flush a couple hundred million dollars down the drain lightly, that it was decided based on self centered cowardice alone, or simply due to the released e-mails, that there is an ulterior motive, or a conspiracy that includes Sony involved. Despite all the talk from internet tough guys, I suspect most Americans would blame Sony if they released the movie and an incident happened.

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I haven't seen Enemy at the Gates but I looked at the plot description. It doesn't sound pro-communist, just pro-Russian when they were fighting against Nazi Germany. I assume you know that Russia was on our side during WWII. Pointing out the flaws of our culture(racism, sexism etc) is not pro-communist. I know of no movie that claimed that other countries are perfect, or even significantly better, compared to the USA. Even in the anti-war movies I have seen, ordinary soldiers are not the bad guys. The bad guys are the crazy or fanatical soldiers who kill for pleasure, kill civilians indiscriminately or abuse the locals, not the regular troops. Cultural Marxism is an unfounded conspiracy theory used to red bait people who want the USA to be a more free, just and fair nation.

    "According to German political scientist Thomas Grumke, the new American extreme right undertook a reinterpretation of the enemy image in the 1990s because the classical Red Scare ceased working. Part of this strategy is the introduction of fighting terms such as “Cultural Marxism”, which is used by American conservatives to describe an alleged conspiratorial attempt of the Left to destroy the cultural and moral values of the United States through systematic attacks on the American Way of Life[citation needed]. According to the Frankfurt School conspiracy theory, Cultural Marxism supposedly began in the culture war of the 1930s when a small group of Jewish philosophers fled from the German Reich to the United States...."
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    Cultural Marxism is nothing new, what do you think identity politics are? Various groups of marxists seeking to divide the nation. The term merely describes the tactic that had been employed for some time.

    The Frankfurt School (German: Frankfurter Schule) is a school of neo-Marxist interdisciplinary social theory[1] associated in part with the Institute for Social Research at the Goethe University in Frankfurt, Germany. The school initially consisted of dissident Marxists who believed that some of Marx's followers had come to parrot a narrow selection of Marx's ideas, usually in defense of orthodox Communist parties. Meanwhile, many of these theorists believed that traditional Marxist theory could not adequately explain the turbulent and unexpected development of capitalist societies in the twentieth century. Critical of both capitalism and Soviet socialism, their writings pointed to the possibility of an alternative path to social development.[2] Frankfurt School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Critical theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So you see the left could not credibly defend communism but were still seeking marxism-and they did that by essentially painting the US as an awful place, to facilitate change more amendable to marxism. This isn't a conspiracy theory, you just aren't well read enough to know what you believe is based on marxist dogma. Welcome to the world.

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The only reason Sony pulled it was because some dumb hollywood liberal or liberals said far more "racially insensitive" things. You had that lady apologizing in advance.
    That's not really true. The possibility that NOK hackers could hack into Sony computers again and release movies which have yet to go into cinemas is far more threatening than anything an executive has said. If only 4-5 big ticket movies are released, it means billions in lost revenue from both licensing deals and box office revenue. That's what Sony is worried about more than anything else and it is probably what keeps them from releasing this movie. Either way, they're losing money though. If they release the film, they risk another attack. One that could damage their pockets. If they don't release it, they lose about 80 million. Right now, it's a numbers game and Sony execs are trying to figure out whether the 80 million they spent (and whatever it is going to make back) are worth risking billions in lost revenue from a cyberattack.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, and the ISIS/ISIL/IS general threat asking supporters to kill innocent people using their cars or whatever other means they could was an idle threat too because it wasn't specific enough. That's why one Canadian soldier was run over and killed by a car driven by someone who took up the suggestion and another soldier was shot on Parliament Hill, at the Tomb for the Unknown Soldiers. And Sydney Australia also thinks the attack at the cafe there was no big deal.

    It's easy to sit on our asses in our safe homes or offices and recommend everyone ignore such threats. Flying planes into the World Trade Center was once considered impossible, something that would never happen. I fully understand and accept that Sony and the theaters had no interest in calling anyone's bluff.
    I would go to a theater, no issue. I'm not going to let someone else make me fear living my life. I think it is stupid to give in to terrorist threats. I could easily be in more danger going out than most of those worried about this threat from N. Korea. We were in fact warned about ISIS threats, as military members have been warned since we entered service, at least here in the states, that you are potential targets no matter where you go as soon as it becomes known that you are a servicemember. Heck, we couldn't leave bootcamp without the training that said don't wear uniforms on civilian transportation, including airplanes, yet then they flew us in our dress uniforms to our next duty station after basic.

    And despite those incidents you described, you are still more likely to die in a fire, car accident, or some other thing that has nothing to do with terrorism.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I would go to a theater, no issue. I'm not going to let someone else make me fear living my life. I think it is stupid to give in to terrorist threats. I could easily be in more danger going out than most of those worried about this threat from N. Korea. We were in fact warned about ISIS threats, as military members have been warned since we entered service, at least here in the states, that you are potential targets no matter where you go as soon as it becomes known that you are a servicemember. Heck, we couldn't leave bootcamp without the training that said don't wear uniforms on civilian transportation, including airplanes, yet then they flew us in our dress uniforms to our next duty station after basic.

    And despite those incidents you described, you are still more likely to die in a fire, car accident, or some other thing that has nothing to do with terrorism.
    Indeed so - in free and democratic societies like yours and mine, you're free to do as you please and take as much risk as you choose with your own life. Likewise, a business such as Sony, and the theaters they distribute to/through, are equally free to do as they choose to protect and promote their business interests. See how that works?
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Indeed so - in free and democratic societies like yours and mine, you're free to do as you please and take as much risk as you choose with your own life. Likewise, a business such as Sony, and the theaters they distribute to/through, are equally free to do as they choose to protect and promote their business interests. See how that works?
    And I am also free to criticize them for making such decisions. Why does everyone act like those against these decisions are saying that there should be some law against them doing so? That isn't what we are saying. It is about our feelings towards these decisions being made just to appease certain groups, to give in due to fear. They are free to make such decisions, but it doesn't mean we aren't also free to view such decisions as wrong, and even take actions, such as boycotts or just expressing our feelings towards these decisions.
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