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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    There is more likely a risk that you would be shot by two cops and struck by lightning in the same day than to be attacked by a N. Korean "terrorist".

    If I had nothing to hide, I'd run it. I'd take that gamble as I already have 200 million on the table.
    Here's the funny thing...

    Say the theaters themselves didn't start pulling this.

    I think "The Interview" would've actually done pretty well. Why? Because it's aimed at your 20-40 year old male demographics. A type of demographic that isn't just likely to ignore such a "threat", but the type to do the action simply as a means to either thumb their nose at the hackers or to puff their chest out for a feeling of false bravado. It also seemingly enticed some that normally wouldn't fall in that demographic or normally wouldn't want to see the movie to want to go based on the basic nature of political stubborness some have.

    HOWEVER...

    I imagine a big amount of Christmas Day movie traffic are families, likely going to more family oriented movies (or letting the kids go off to one while the adults go to another). I think there's a fair bit of people in those demographics that absolutely WOULD be turned off by these threats and make a decision to just wait for another day to go see the totally unrelated movie they were going to go see. And I have a feeling those numbers would've been more damaging to the theaters than the number of people flooding in to see The Interview.

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

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    What an asinine piece of crap.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is a potential for dying from a terrorist threat anywhere. I have a sticker on my car that increases my chance of being killed by a terrorist. Oh well. I would be more afraid of dying in a car crash on the way to the movie theater or even choking on popcorn or a hot dog purchased for the movie than being killed by a terrorist targeting movie goers to this movie. There are simply much higher odds of those other things occurring than of the threat being fulfilled.

    This is why I believe that Sony is more afraid of the potential of the issues that could come from release of the information than from terrorists actually harming movie goers over this movie.
    As Hard Truth said perfectly above - Sony can't win in this situation because it will be criticized either way.

    Maybe all the big talkers on this thread can crowdfund the purchase of the movie from Sony and a couple of theaters and show the movie themselves. Then if anyone gets attacked, you can tell everyone it wasn't your fault and you weren't reckless.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My honest best guess....

    The theaters beginning to try and drop support for showing the film was likely the largest factor having to do with Sony's eventual choice.

    I think the threat was a lesser factor to Sony (A big factor to the theaters) in terms of choosing to not distribute it. I think it was a big factor in choosing not to do the premier.

    I think that once it was clear that a true profit was unlikely (with theaters dropping it), the desire to assuage the terrorist hackers in hopes that more embarassing and/or damaging leaks don't get put out was probably a significant factor in ultimately deciding not to release it at all and to keep anyone involved in the movie from talking about it.

    Basically...I think Sony wouldn't have taken drastic action in a gamble to stop future damaging leaks IF they felt the movie was still going to hit theaters and make a potential profit. I think that's why Sony didn't bother to pull it until after numerous theater chains started indicating they wouldn't show it...because prior to that, the controversy was actually likely going to drive ticket sales up for them.

    ONCE profit from the ticket sales (and the benefits in other avenues that come from a picture actually hitting the theaters and having wide spread saturation) became an unlikely prospect, the gamble to stop future damaging leaks became a more palatable one for Sony to make.

    The threats had an impact on the theaters, but I don't think it had a huge impact directly on Sony's decisions for RELEASE (I think it did for the premier cancellation). I think the theaters withdrawing support for it AND the desire to try and forgo any futher damaging leaks were both stronger motivators to sony in terms of their choices regarding distribution.
    This makes the most sense, honestly.

    But then I would just say that the theaters are still being stupid. The chances of a NK terrorist blowing up any theater in the US are really small. There's a higher chance of a fire breaking out in their theater or a domestic terrorist or whack job going crazy and shooting people in any theater, over any movie than this specific threat on this specific movie. No one cares that much about N. Korea except some N. Koreans, who are generally still in N. Korea.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's the funny thing...

    Say the theaters themselves didn't start pulling this.

    I think "The Interview" would've actually done pretty well. Why? Because it's aimed at your 20-40 year old male demographics. A type of demographic that isn't just likely to ignore such a "threat", but the type to do the action simply as a means to either thumb their nose at the hackers or to puff their chest out for a feeling of false bravado. It also seemingly enticed some that normally wouldn't fall in that demographic or normally wouldn't want to see the movie to want to go based on the basic nature of political stubborness some have.

    HOWEVER...

    I imagine a big amount of Christmas Day movie traffic are families, likely going to more family oriented movies (or letting the kids go off to one while the adults go to another). I think there's a fair bit of people in those demographics that absolutely WOULD be turned off by these threats and make a decision to just wait for another day to go see the totally unrelated movie they were going to go see. And I have a feeling those numbers would've been more damaging to the theaters than the number of people flooding in to see The Interview.


    I think the movie would at the end of the day take no more than a 25% hit on opening day, or it would do better as it could have been swung around as you say a big FU to north korea.


    I would understand if al qaeda made the threat but north korea? come on that would be a direct "ACT OF WAR". it ain't gonna happen.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You've just proven my point. Whether Sony should release the movie is cut and dry regardless of your gutless and hackneyed efforts to make it seem ambiguous.
    What the **** are you still talking about. Seriously, you're making no sense with your ignorant and ridiculous claims of what my "efforts" are.

    Talking about whether or not theaters would be potentially "liable" if something happened (which is ambiguous) and pointing out the situation is different than what happened in Colorado so isn't direclty comparable (which is factually correct) are entirely different than talking about whether or not Sony should release the movie.

    I've made no effort what so ever to make my stance on this ambiguous, you just seemingly are blinded by your bigotry to the point that you can't read the very plain and clear words I'm typing on screen. Let me spell it out for you really simply and perhaps you'll actually be able to read it rather than focusing on your seething hatred for the fact I have "conservative" as my lean. As it relates to whether Sony should release it...

    1. The moment major theaters started pulling the movie, it was a reasonable business move for Sony to simply give into that and not push it on the theaters forcefully

    2. At that point Sony should've begun planning to use their own Crackle service, or struck a deal with Netflix or Amazon, to put it out over VOD in the near future. While they are likely afraid of the impact of another damaging leak, I think the impact of completely capitulating to a terrorist hacker group is likely going to prove to be more troublesome to them in the future than another leak...AND there's no guarantee the leak won't happen anyways.

    Sony is acting cowardly and you're making excuses that try to make it seem reasonable to acquiesce to terrorists threats.
    Well I'm sure that what it seems like in the ridiculous make believe scenario you're responding to, but unfortunately that's not what I'm doing. But continue to prattle on about your inane fiction.

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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

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    There's no need to insult Zyphlin like that, even if he is rather spineless.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As Hard Truth said perfectly above - Sony can't win in this situation because it will be criticized either way.

    Maybe all the big talkers on this thread can crowdfund the purchase of the movie from Sony and a couple of theaters and show the movie themselves. Then if anyone gets attacked, you can tell everyone it wasn't your fault and you weren't reckless.
    It isn't their fault. It is absolutely not the fault of the "offender" if someone decides that they don't like something and blow up innocent people over that offense they take. It is solely the fault and responsibility of the terrorists/people who did the act. There is nothing "reckless" about "offending" people, especially not when it is something like entertainment. In fact, the movie would have bombed completely if those "offended" wouldn't have said anything about it in the first place. If anyone is responsible for good publicity and making the movie known, it is those who decided to be offended, to express that offense in a violent or ridiculous way. They are responsible for the likely increase in the number of people who now wish to watch this movie.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    the excuse that theaters were pulling it is smoke screen for sony to try to save face under threat of something truly embarrassing and revealing about the hollywood culture.


    I hope the n. koreans release it anyway. lol
    Some of it, I do too. I don't think that they should release the actor SSNs or anything harmful to individuals, but to put out the real data that the Hollywood studios have been hiding for decades, let's see it all come out so they can't keep lying that none of their movies make a profit.
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    Re: Sony Cancels Theatrical Release for ‘The Interview’ on Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think the movie would at the end of the day take no more than a 25% hit on opening day, or it would do better as it could have been swung around as you say a big FU to north korea.
    I don't know if I'm not understanding you, or if it may be the other way around.

    I actually think that the movie would do just as well, if not better, on opening day then it would have if there was no such threat. I don't think the threat would cause a sizable hit to how much traffic The Interview would do. That goes back to my comments regarding the target audience of the movie and their likely reaction to such "threats".

    Where I think the theaters would take a hit would be with the majority of the OTHER movies in the theater that day...specifically kid, tween, or family movies. I think the target audiences there (or those with control over said target audiences) would be more likely to see the threat and be scared off by it, deciding to just forgo a trip to the theaters on that day.

    Your average soccer mom, for instance, isn't thinking about the nuanced notions of what a terrorist attack by north korean hackers would end up causing and how different these "terrorists" are from other "terrorists"...they just likely see an unnecessary threat that's being bulit up as problematic and go "umm, I'll keep my kids home instead".

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