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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

MMC said:
What????? Go look around in the ME and see what I have had to say about the Saud, and the Sunni.

I'm one who says don't share any of our tech with them. Nor even let them buy it! Of course they are not the only ones I have said such about.

Oh and.....kind of hard to normalize relations when the other side is still going to commit human rights abuses. Plus says nothing else has changed.

Its simple....they need money. So guess who they thought they could sucker. Yep.....BO and his Team!
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MOAR blame obama bs. Find a new schtick. It's so damn old.
 
Henry David said:
The difference between a mild fascist oligarchy ruled by a dictator and a socialist country ruled by a dictator. The only difference is who benefits, private owners or people on the street? Compare healthcare under each model to see who benefits most.
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It's all about healthcare? You can get free health care in an American prison too.

Do you know the stats between the two dictators?
 
poweRob said:
MOAR blame obama bs. Find a new schtick. It's so damn old.
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Give it a Break.....it was YO MAN who pulled an end run around Congress and His own Man Menendez holding that Chair in the Senate.
 
MMC said:
Give it a Break.....it was YO MAN who pulled an end run around Congress and His own Man Menendez holding that Chair in the Senate.
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It was not an end run around. He did nothing unconstitutional or break any rules. Just more fabricated whining by the ODS crowd.
 
poweRob said:
It was not an end run around. He did nothing unconstitutional or break any rules. Just more fabricated whining by the ODS crowd.
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When the media reports that he did this thru back channels.....and then Menendez and Team BO admit he never informed anyone. That constitutes an end run.

Who said he did something unconstitutional? I don't think the Repubs would be doing what they could to hold up his EO. Especially if BO had done something unconstitutional.

Nah, its just more reality than some fabrication of an excuse to cry over what people say and or think about BO peep.
 
MMC said:
When the media reports that he did this thru back channels.....and then Menendez and Team BO admit he never informed anyone. That constitutes an end run.

Who said he did something unconstitutional? I don't think the Repubs would be doing what they could to hold up his EO. Especially if BO had done something unconstitutional.

Nah, its just more reality than some fabrication of an excuse to cry over what people say and or think about BO peep.
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"The Media" lol

Yes he did nothing unconstitutional or break the rules or wrong. So what you are doing is just whining about not getting your way. Or more to the point... whining because Obama did it.
 
poweRob said:
"The Media" lol

Yes he did nothing unconstitutional or break the rules or wrong. So what you are doing is just whining about not getting your way. Or more to the point... whining because Obama did it.
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Yeah the AP, Reuters.....oh and lets not forget BOs own Pressman, Josh!

Try again....I just pointed out what was being done due to you not being in the knowing.

Now you cant say you don't know what Rubio, Graham and Menendez are doing.

Btw if Josh screws up and BO fires him.....will his Next WH Press Secretary be named, Biff? :lamo
 
I think these people that live under the regime sum it up rather well....

"Yoani Sánchez, Cuba’s most influential dissident blogger, declared that with Obama’s move “Castroism has won.” Guillermo Fariñas, a dissident journalist and winner of the European Union’s 2010 Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought, told the Guardian newspaper that Obama’s move is “a disaster.” Fariñas, who has conducted 23 hunger strikes to protest Cuban repression, added, “We live in daily fear that we will be killed by the fascist government. And now, the U.S. — our ally — turns its back on us and prefers to sit with our killers.”

Ángel Moya, who was recently released from an eight-year prison sentence, told the New York Times that Obama “betrayed those of us who are struggling against the Cuban government. There will be more repression, only this time with the blessing of the United States.” Moya further declared that dissidents “are totally against the easing of the embargo” because “the government will have more access to technology and money that can be used against us.”

Cuban dissidents blast Obama
 
JoeTrumps said:
All those comments blaming the U.S. embargo for the poverty and backwardness of Cuba seem to miss the point that the island has been able to trade and interact with almost all of the rest of the world, Europe and Canada included. So why hasn't this cooperation been more beneficial for Cubans? Could it be because Cuba is a prison state?[/QUOTE]

The USA is the prison state. The highest number of citizens in jail per capita
in the entire World. Something like 3% of the population. It is a great business
here in the USA. So good, in fact, that large Corporate prisons are in the business
and require 90% occupancy with their state and federal contracts. Prisons are
good business. All you have to do is have lots of laws that put people in jail. That's
the Good ol' USA, don't ya' know?
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DaveFagan said:
The USA is the prison state. The highest number of citizens in jail per capita
in the entire World. Something like 3% of the population. It is a great business
here in the USA. So good, in fact, that large Corporate prisons are in the business
and require 90% occupancy with their state and federal contracts. Prisons are
good business. All you have to do is have lots of laws that put people in jail. That's
the Good ol' USA, don't ya' know?
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Did the people in US prisons knowingly break the law?
 
j-mac said:
Did the people in US prisons knowingly break the law?
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I don't know for sure, but lots of them are incarcerated for smokin' that noxious devil weed, marijuana,
now legal in many states.. I see those fool reefer users thinkin' bout doing awful things and laughing and
teeheeing and eating beaucoup snacks and dancin' and don't ya' know all kinds of such things caused by
the effects of that ILLEGAL God given flower, but it's good for Prison business and we all about business,
don't ya' know. Debtor's prisons seem to be back in vogue, as well. As I said, good for business, the
prison business. On the other hand, a little, or even a lot of torture is OK. It is OK to lie to Congress if
you're CIA, DIA, NSA,etc, but it's perjury if I do it. It OK for "too big to fail" bankers to scam billions of
dollars and get a little fine, but no crime, no jail time, so I'm guessing these nice jails is mosty for poor
folks and dumb folks and not politically connected folks, don't ya' know? They probably look different
from inside that bubble that insulates you from the real world, eh?
 
Grant said:
It's all about healthcare? You can get free health care in an American prison too.

Do you know the stats between the two dictators?
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No, it's not ALL about healthcare. There are other considerations too.

Stats of the dictators? No, please enlighten me.
 
j-mac said:
Did the people in US prisons knowingly break the law?
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Some did, some did not. Do you recall the case of the Central Park 5?

Do you know how many wrongly convicted men have been released because of DNA information?
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't know for sure, but lots of them are incarcerated for smokin' that noxious devil weed, marijuana,
now legal in many states.. I see those fool reefer users thinkin' bout doing awful things and laughing and
teeheeing and eating beaucoup snacks and dancin' and don't ya' know all kinds of such things caused by
the effects of that ILLEGAL God given flower, but it's good for Prison business and we all about business,
don't ya' know. Debtor's prisons seem to be back in vogue, as well. As I said, good for business, the
prison business. On the other hand, a little, or even a lot of torture is OK. It is OK to lie to Congress if
you're CIA, DIA, NSA,etc, but it's perjury if I do it. It OK for "too big to fail" bankers to scam billions of
dollars and get a little fine, but no crime, no jail time, so I'm guessing these nice jails is mosty for poor
folks and dumb folks and not politically connected folks, don't ya' know? They probably look different
from inside that bubble that insulates you from the real world, eh?
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Not at all, and your mocking tone aside, I don't agree with laws put people to be in a position of being incarcerated for something like Marijuana. However, the people in prison for it are not there because they had a single joint on them, or that they had done nothing in the past that compounded to land them there. But, in the end, this is about the law. We have laws that many of us could agree shouldn't be on the books, but that doesn't give us the right to ignore them does it?
 
Henry David said:
Some did, some did not. Do you recall the case of the Central Park 5?

Do you know how many wrongly convicted men have been released because of DNA information?
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So, the fact that our system is not a perfect one, gives you the right in your head to ignore laws you don't like?
 
Lutherf said:
U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years | Reuters

I'm actually cautiously optimistic about this. We've had a rather odd relationship with Cuba ever since their fight for independence 100+ years ago but simple proximity makes some kind of normalization a matter of practicality.
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I don't know the longstanding reason for the embargo against this one country, but there's no doubt in my mind that Obama is trying to change this for some kind of Democrat political advantage. That guy doesn't do **** for the country unless it benefits him first.
 
j-mac said:
So, the fact that our system is not a perfect one, gives you the right in your head to ignore laws you don't like?
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Not only is it not a perfect one, but the glaring fact that this bastion of liberty finds it necessary to incarcerate more people than anyone else demonstrates a need for serious reform.
Unless, of course, you think that Americans are just more likely to be scofflaws than anyone else.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not only is it not a perfect one, but the glaring fact that this bastion of liberty finds it necessary to incarcerate more people than anyone else demonstrates a need for serious reform.
Unless, of course, you think that Americans are just more likely to be scofflaws than anyone else.
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Are they picked up for their beliefs? Are they just walking down the street and being 'disappeared'? Now, is everyone ever jailed guilty of a crime? No. But, do we have a system where they get their day in court? Sure we do....What is your "fix" to our system? You have a better one?
 
j-mac said:
Are they picked up for their beliefs? Are they just walking down the street and being 'disappeared'? Now, is everyone ever jailed guilty of a crime? No. But, do we have a system where they get their day in court? Sure we do....What is your "fix" to our system? You have a better one?
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We have a much better one than do nations where people are "disappeared" just walking down the street, to be sure. If our system doesn't need reform, though, how is it that we have more prisoners than the British, the French, the Italians, the Spanish? Are Americans just more prone to break laws? If that's so, why? This issue should be a motive for a bit of introspection, and not simply comparing our society to that of places like North Korea.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Not only is it not a perfect one, but the glaring fact that this bastion of liberty finds it necessary to incarcerate more people than anyone else demonstrates a need for serious reform.
Unless, of course, you think that Americans are just more likely to be scofflaws than anyone else.
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One thing is certain. No one can be too critical of the USA, and anyone who doesn't constantly criticize is hopelessly naive. We even have posters favorably comparing Cuba to the US.
 
Dittohead not! said:
We have a much better one than do nations where people are "disappeared" just walking down the street, to be sure. If our system doesn't need reform, though, how is it that we have more prisoners than the British, the French, the Italians, the Spanish? Are Americans just more prone to break laws? If that's so, why? This issue should be a motive for a bit of introspection, and not simply comparing our society to that of places like North Korea.
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Yeah, just what the country needs. More 'introspection'.
 
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