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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

j-mac said:
Well, my trust in politicians is not strong enough to put money on it...But none the less, regardless of how that decision is made, the embargo will stay in place. And that is the part of this that will just crush the Cuban people.
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If the embargo does stay i place, whether through default or a positive action on the part of our dysfunctional Congress, it will indeed be a detriment to the Cuban people.

Why anyone would think that is a good thing is beyond me. Why would anyone hate the Cuban people? Isn't it bad enough for them to be stuck with a failed socialistic regime?
 
vesper said:
Maybe you should educate yourself on how something came about before giving it your blessing. Because when people don't do that, it makes them out to be hypocrites of what they claim they stand for.
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Wrong. It makes the ignorant. That said, how it came to be has literally NOTHING to do with the fact that it is long past due. Can you grasp that or is it too broad of a concept?

Charles Manson has deserved to die for decades now. Say he was killed and I applauded that it finally happened, as in the case with Cuba. I later find out that he was tortured for a year by lighting parts of him sporadically on fire from time to time until they eventually covered him with sweets and let fire ants bite him to death in agonizing pain. THAT would suck, just like the E.O. sucks. That has NOTHING to do with being glad that Cuban sanctions are over OR that Charley Manson is dead.

Are you able... just a little teeny bit, to see how that is logical and makes sense or is your hatred so blinding that you can't see that you are ****ing wrong?

EDIT: I just noticed that you completely ignored this post. I assume it is because the other tangent that was brought up was easier since it requires no accountability and my Manson analogy completely shoots down your uneducated and ignorant assumption. :lol:
 
vesper said:
Maybe you should educate yourself on how something came about before giving it your blessing. Because when people don't do that, it makes them out to be hypocrites of what they claim they stand for.
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Bodhisattva said:
Wrong. It makes the ignorant. That said, how it came to be has literally NOTHING to do with the fact that it is long past due. Can you grasp that or is it too broad of a concept?

Charles Manson has deserved to die for decades now. Say he was killed and I applauded that it finally happened, as in the case with Cuba. I later find out that he was tortured for a year by lighting parts of him sporadically on fire from time to time until they eventually covered him with sweets and let fire ants bite him to death in agonizing pain. THAT would suck, just like the E.O. sucks. That has NOTHING to do with being glad that Cuban sanctions are over OR that Charley Manson is dead.

Are you able... just a little teeny bit, to see how that is logical and makes sense or is your hatred so blinding that you can't see that you are ****ing wrong?

EDIT: I just noticed that you completely ignored this post. I assume it is because the other tangent that was brought up was easier since it requires no accountability and my Manson analogy completely shoots down your uneducated and ignorant assumption. :lol:
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I have been allied with both of you sometimes and opposed to both of you sometimes. It's Christmas Eve. Let's call a truce for the time being.:cheers:
 
Jack Hays said:
I have been allied with both of you sometimes and opposed to both of you sometimes. It's Christmas Eve. Let's call a truce for the time being.:cheers:
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It is Christmas Day here and I am alone and at work, to know the truth of it. :lol:
 
Jack Hays said:
I've done that before, but that life is in the rear view mirror now.
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It is my ex's Christmas with our girls so it is all good and fair... She takes them to Auckland for a couple of weeks. On my turn I take them back to the States for a month.

An especially heartfelt Merry Christmas to you.:2wave:
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You to bud. Eat some good X-Mas food on my behalf. I am ordering a pizza. :lol:
 
Jack Hays said:
I have been allied with both of you sometimes and opposed to both of you sometimes. It's Christmas Eve. Let's call a truce for the time being.:cheers:
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Merry Christmas Jack to you and yours.
 
MMC said:
So all those Cubans that were Anti Castro.....that have been all over the Radio and Media, that don't even live in Florida, speaking out on this. Are helping Rubio to secure him votes?


What about the Garbage of BO Peep not even telling his Chair Menendez anything about this? How do you think that looks?

How does it make you feel knowing.....that Repubs can pretty much wipe out this BO Peep EO and will have backing from the Demos?
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Keep dreaming. One day one of them just might come true.
 
Erod said:
You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.
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Yes... this is like just like Hitler. You nailed it. No exaggerations whatsoever. NAZI!!!111!!!!!!! BENGHAZI!!!!!!111!!!!!
 
poweRob said:
Yes... this is like just like Hitler. You nailed it. No exaggerations whatsoever. NAZI!!!111!!!!!!! BENGHAZI!!!!!!111!!!!!
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I think the point is the people of Cuba(those who escaped and those who remain) consider him to be Hitler. He destroyed their once proud country and imprisoned their fathers and brothers(or worse) and forced them to flee their homeland forever(with thousands still risking their lives to escape TO THIS DAY).

Go laugh at a Cuban for the comparison since you find it so amusing.
 
JoeTrumps said:
I think the point is the people of Cuba(those who escaped and those who remain) consider him to be Hitler. He destroyed their once proud country and imprisoned their fathers and brothers(or worse) and forced them to flee their homeland forever(with thousands still risking their lives to escape TO THIS DAY).

Go laugh at a Cuban for the comparison since you find it so amusing.
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I'm sure they think he destroyed their country because I'm sure their families were rolling in the Mafia $'s back when Batista was running the island. I'm not a Castro supporter but to think that place was golden before Castro got there isn't even close to accurate. It was insanely corrupt.

Also, at some point we have to grow up and stop fronting the sins of our fathers as a reason to fight a non fight.
 
poweRob said:
I'm sure they think he destroyed their country because I'm sure their families were rolling in the Mafia $'s back when Batista was running the island. I'm not a Castro supporter but to think that place was golden before Castro got there isn't even close to accurate. It was insanely corrupt.

Also, at some point we have to grow up and stop fronting the sins of our fathers as a reason to fight a non fight.
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It was many times better under Batista. At a minimum people could leave.

Do you really believe Cuba isn't corrupt now???
 
poweRob said:
Keep dreaming. One day one of them just might come true.
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Well the Anti Castro Cubans were on the radio and TV. So that was true. BO peep kept Menendez in the dark on this issue and said nothing to him about his EO. That was true. Plus now the Repubs have come out talking about how they will pretty much make BO's EO ineffective. So that was another truth.

Note how that's reality and has nothing to do with any day dreaming.

Check out the Cuban Demos in the House and the Demo Senator Robert Menendez, then get back to me. When you want to learn about some more true stuff over Cuba.
 
Grant said:
It was many times better under Batista. At a minimum people could leave.

Do you really believe Cuba isn't corrupt now???
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The difference between a mild fascist oligarchy ruled by a dictator and a socialist country ruled by a dictator. The only difference is who benefits, private owners or people on the street? Compare healthcare under each model to see who benefits most.
 
Grant said:
It was many times better under Batista. At a minimum people could leave.

Do you really believe Cuba isn't corrupt now???
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okay... I JUST SAID I'M NOT A CASTRO FAN. Why do you skim posts and then act like your replying to it all? You are so bad about that. And as far as people being allowed to come and go... what the hell do you think normalizing relations with Cuba will do?

You guys are so bent on hating everything Obama does that your are punching your own selves in the face.
 
MMC said:
Well the Anti Castro Cubans were on the radio and TV. So that was true. BO peep kept Menendez in the dark on this issue and said nothing to him about his EO. That was true. Plus now the Repubs have come out talking about how they will pretty much make BO's EO ineffective. So that was another truth.

Note how that's reality and has nothing to do with any day dreaming.

Check out the Cuban Demos in the House and the Demo Senator Robert Menendez, then get back to me. When you want to learn about some more true stuff over Cuba.
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You are pissed because you aren't getting your way. And your Obama derangement syndrome is just hackishly funny. Keep going. Relations with Cuba are normalizing and the old farts of yesteryear will complain. I don't give a rats ass. At least now Cuba won't be tempted to put nukes 90 miles off our shore... but why give a damn about that when it gets in the way of bitching about Obama huh? :lol:
 
poweRob said:
You are pissed because you aren't getting your way. And your Obama derangement syndrome is just hackishly funny. Keep going. Relations with Cuba are normalizing and the old farts of yesteryear will complain. I don't give a rats ass. At least now Cuba won't be tempted to put nukes 90 miles off our shore... but why give a damn about that when it gets in the way of bitching about Obama huh? :lol:
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SayWhat? :roll: I suggest you take a look at what Rubio said about BO peep getting a Ambassador nominated. Do you think that messes with BO's EO.

Do you know who is in control of the funds? That would be Lindsey Graham. Now note what he said he will do to make sure that BO does not get that funding. Does that mess with BO's EO?

So much for that so called analysis on bitching about BO peep. Oh and don't worry.....there is still 2 more years of BO screw ups to come. :mrgreen:
 
MMC said:
SayWhat? :roll: I suggest you take a look at what Rubio said about BO peep getting a Ambassador nominated. Do you think that messes with BO's EO.

Do you know who is in control of the funds? That would be Lindsey Graham. Now note what he said he will do to make sure that BO does not get that funding. Does that mess with BO's EO?

So much for that so called analysis on bitching about BO peep. Oh and don't worry.....there is still 2 more years of BO screw ups to come. :mrgreen:
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MOAR ODS. Lindsey has it too and would deny funding for an EO if Obama made one for curing cancer. Obvious hacks are obvious hacks. And Lindsey is an obvious hack making an oh so predictable move as promised six years ago when they decided to block any and everything Obama did before he even took office. That basically just trashes any stance republicans take as being from a position of integrity.
 
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poweRob said:
MOAR ODS. Lindsey has it too and would deny funding for an EO if Obama made one for curing cancer. Obvious hacks are obvious hacks. And Lindsey is an obvious hack making an oh so predictable move.
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That's to match the Bi-polar and Sybil like personalities streaming out of left field. So let me guess Rubio is a hack to Right? What about the Demo Menendez who is doing some of his own smack talking about this issue. While admitting BO doesn't know what he is doing?
 
MMC said:
That's to match the Bi-polar and Sybil like personalities streaming out of left field. So let me guess Rubio is a hack to Right? What about the Demo Menendez who is doing some of his own smack talking about this issue. While admitting BO doesn't know what he is doing?
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Rubio is a hack going for the ever dwindling Dade County anti-Castro vote. Mendendez is an old guy clinging to old ways. I don't doubt he means what he's saying but his views are dying off and he's just whining now. It's going to change as it should. Cold war is over.
 
poweRob said:
Rubio is a hack going for the ever dwindling Dade County anti-Castro vote. Mendendez is an old guy clinging to old ways. I don't doubt he means what he's saying but his views are dying off and he's just whining now. It's going to change as it should. Cold war is over.
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The United States on Wednesday condemned what it called Cuba's practice of repression following the detention of several activists, in the first major test of President Barack Obama's policy shift toward normalizing relations with the communist-ruled island. The arrests marked the most significant crackdown on the opposition since Cuba and the United States agreed on Dec. 17 to restore diplomatic ties and put behind them more than five decades of hostility.

The State Department said it was deeply concerned by the detention on Tuesday of several "peaceful civil society members and activists" by the Cuban authorities."We strongly condemn the Cuban government's continued harassment and repeated use of arbitrary detention, at times with violence, to silence critics, disrupt peaceful assembly and freedom expression, and intimidate citizens," the State Department said in a statement. "We urge the government of Cuba to end its practice of repressing these and other internationally protected freedoms and to respect the universal human rights of Cuban citizens," it added.....snip~

U.S. condemns Cuba's 'practice of repressing' after activists detained | Reuters

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tice-repressing-after-activists-detained.html

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MMC said:
The United States on Wednesday condemned what it called Cuba's practice of repression following the detention of several activists, in the first major test of President Barack Obama's policy shift toward normalizing relations with the communist-ruled island. The arrests marked the most significant crackdown on the opposition since Cuba and the United States agreed on Dec. 17 to restore diplomatic ties and put behind them more than five decades of hostility.

The State Department said it was deeply concerned by the detention on Tuesday of several "peaceful civil society members and activists" by the Cuban authorities."We strongly condemn the Cuban government's continued harassment and repeated use of arbitrary detention, at times with violence, to silence critics, disrupt peaceful assembly and freedom expression, and intimidate citizens," the State Department said in a statement. "We urge the government of Cuba to end its practice of repressing these and other internationally protected freedoms and to respect the universal human rights of Cuban citizens," it added.....snip~

U.S. condemns Cuba's 'practice of repressing' after activists detained | Reuters

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...lations-after-50-years-65.html#post1064151449


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And? Get back to me when you give a **** about Saudi Arabia and China's repressive regimes. When I see you parading around talking about ending normalized relations with them then you might take on a slight notion of credibility in your posts.

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poweRob said:
And? Get back to me when you give a **** about Saudi Arabia and China's repressive regimes. When I see you parading around talking about ending normalized relations with them then you might take on a slight notion of credibility.
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What????? Go look around in the ME and see what I have had to say about the Saud, and the Sunni.

I'm one who says don't share any of our tech with them. Nor even let them buy it! Of course they are not the only ones I have said such about.

Oh and.....kind of hard to normalize relations when the other side is still going to commit human rights abuses. Plus says nothing else has changed.

Its simple....they need money. So guess who they thought they could sucker. Yep.....BO and his Team!
 
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