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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

Grant said:
This is an ineresting timeline regarding Cuba. https://books.google.ca/books?id=r4... and mental patients out of hospitals&f=false

It get's really comical on May 5th when Jimmy Carter (who is Isaac Newton to BHO) welcomes all these newcomers with his toothy, self-satisfied, grin. Then watch the grin fade as the reality of the sense of betrayal by someone, as a fellow leftist who understood the innate evil of America, he knew and trusted..

It seems time for Castro to send another few boatloads over.
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Whats really comical is, people thinking we don't trade with Cuba. Castro says they aren't changing any thing up there.

So basically, they just need some money.
 
Hatuey said:
Trying hard to conflate issues? Was KAL 007 responsible for multiple violations into Russian territory?
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The US sends fighter planes to escort these sorts of individuals to a landing and usually only shoots them down if they actively refuse or clearly pose a threat. The idea typically doesn't entail a shoot first, ask questions later mentality, but if you're okay with that idea whatever. Partisanship isn't terribly easy to rationalize with and I'm not going to bother trying.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Because they're octogenarians and will soon be in the ground.
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Yes, that's what everyone is hoping for but BHO's initiative won't hurry that process along. In fact it's more like a going away gift, justifying all he's accomplished over the past five decades.
 
Grant said:
Yes, that's what everyone is hoping for but BHO's initiative won't hurry that process along. In fact it's more like a going away gift, justifying all he's accomplished over the past five decades.
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Now that Obama has initiated diplomatic relations, the Castro Brothers will live forever? Huh?

Maybe he'll initiate diplomatic relations with me. That would be nice.
 
Rials6 said:
Baseball players? sugar, nickel, tobacco, shellfish, citrus, coffee[
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Fifth world's largest producer of nickel, and a byproduct of nickel too (cobalt).
 
Grant said:
What we have here is......
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...no doubt, a failure to communicate.

Do you watch 60 Minutes?

They had some interesting interviews of real Cubans living in Cuba and their take on the new diplomatic relations.

I also learned that the embargo is still in place, unfortunately. It will take an act of Congress to end that.
 
Dittohead not! said:
...no doubt, a failure to communicate.

Do you watch 60 Minutes?

They had some interesting interviews of real Cubans living in Cuba and their take on the new diplomatic relations.

I also learned that the embargo is still in place, unfortunately. It will take an act of Congress to end that.
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As it should be
 
Dittohead not! said:
...no doubt, a failure to communicate.

Do you watch 60 Minutes?

They had some interesting interviews of real Cubans living in Cuba and their take on the new diplomatic relations.

I also learned that the embargo is still in place, unfortunately. It will take an act of Congress to end that.
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No I missed it. they were able to interview real Cubans, unscripted, living in Cuba, and they were allowed to be critical of the government? That would have been interesting. Here's one Latin American view. Cuba won’t abandon communism, Raúl Castro says
 
AJiveMan said:
Fifth world's largest producer of nickel, and a byproduct of nickel too (cobalt).
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Then why aren't the people wealthy and why does Cuba they need to be propped up by like-minded regimes?
 
AJiveMan said:
Fifth world's largest producer of nickel, and a byproduct of nickel too (cobalt).
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They've got almost no nickel compared with the Canadian deposits. We already have NAFTA with Canada. Still have no need for Cuba.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Who cares? You not like competition?
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No, it's just blindingly stupid to enable a competitor when you're getting absolutely nothing out of it. Again, what's the compelling reason for ending the embargo? What do they have that we need? What has changed in their government? The answer to all that is nothing.\

This is Obama trying to look like a leader in foreign affairs. Too bad he's never actually been any good at it.
 
Grant said:
No I missed it. they were able to interview real Cubans, unscripted, living in Cuba, and they were allowed to be critical of the government? That would have been interesting. Here's one Latin American view. Cuba won’t abandon communism, Raúl Castro says
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Yep. Real, honest to goodness Cubans. Of course, a lot of what they said had to be anonymous, given the political climate of the country, but it seems that they've been told by the government that their economic problems are due to the US, but they don't believe it. They think socialism is a failure. They also think that diplomatic relationship with the US will be a good thing for the people of Cuba, and may lead to some positive changes.

The winds of change are starting to blow in Cuba. The Castro brothers won't be around much longer. A lot of Cubans have relatives in the U.S., and know how they live vs. how people live in Cuba.

And, one thing that was not covered by the embargo was cell phones. It seems our government actually gave away cell phones to Cubans. Must have been Obamaphones. Now, they can talk to family members in Florida.

The next thing will be the internet. Once they're connected, it will be difficult to keep them isolated from the rest of the world.
 
clownboy said:
No, it's just blindingly stupid to enable a competitor when you're getting absolutely nothing out of it. Again, what's the compelling reason for ending the embargo? What do they have that we need? What has changed in their government? The answer to all that is nothing.\

This is Obama trying to look like a leader in foreign affairs. Too bad he's never actually been any good at it.
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Exactly, a 50+ year old embargo did not change a thing about Cuba. Perhaps a new direction is needed here as Cold War thinking failed to achieve a single goal in isolating Cuba. It did not work and they trade with many nations around the globe including many of our own allies.

There is no logical reason to continue the embargo... absolutely none.

Why not try a little trade and diplomacy as we do with plenty of other nations around the globe that also have governments and ideologies we do not agree with? The flip side of that question is are you willing to isolate the US from all those nations we currently trade with that operate in a manner you do not agree with? If so, who is the really the isolationist here and what point will it have?
 
Obama wants to end the embargo, but it has not, as some seem to think, actually been lifted. That will take an act of Congress. Does Congress have the will to act on a controversial issue? I don't know the answer to that one. We'll see.


What is the U.S. embargo against Cuba and what needs to happen for it to be lifted
"I look forward to engaging Congress in an honest and serious debate about lifting the embargo," President Obama said in a press conference.

Since President Obama's comments Wednesday it's been hard not to talk about the U.S. embargo on Cuba and Obama's proposed shift in relations with the country.

"I think all of us hope Congress will lift the embargo," Rep. Chris Van Hollen said.
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from AOL news
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yep. Real, honest to goodness Cubans. Of course, a lot of what they said had to be anonymous, given the political climate of the country, but it seems that they've been told by the government that their economic problems are due to the US, but they don't believe it. They think socialism is a failure. They also think that diplomatic relationship with the US will be a good thing for the people of Cuba, and may lead to some positive changes.

The winds of change are starting to blow in Cuba. The Castro brothers won't be around much longer. A lot of Cubans have relatives in the U.S., and know how they live vs. how people live in Cuba.

And, one thing that was not covered by the embargo was cell phones. It seems our government actually gave away cell phones to Cubans. Must have been Obamaphones. Now, they can talk to family members in Florida.

The next thing will be the internet. Once they're connected, it will be difficult to keep them isolated from the rest of the world.
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:lamo
 
Dittohead not! said:
Obama wants to end the embargo, but it has not, as some seem to think, actually been lifted. That will take an act of Congress. Does Congress have the will to act on a controversial issue? I don't know the answer to that one. We'll see.




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Heya DH. :2wave: What did Rubio say he will do with any Ambassador that BO picks? Now what did Lindsey Graham say since he controls the funds that BO and his Team will need?


You are aware that US still trades with Cuba......correct?

Do you have any idea on how many Political Prisoners they have locked up, since 2008 and BO's rise to Fame and Fortune?
 
MMC said:
Heya DH. :2wave: What did Rubio say he will do with any Ambassador that BO picks? Now what did Lindsey Graham say since he controls the funds that BO and his Team will need?


You are aware that US still trades with Cuba......correct?

Do you have any idea on how many Political Prisoners they have locked up, since 2008 and BO's rise to Fame and Fortune?
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Rubio is against ending the embargo.
I'm sure we can count on Graham to oppose any ends to the embargo.
Any trade we have with them is pretty tightly controlled, isn't it? What, exactly do we buy/sell to Cuba?
We have prisoners in Cuba as well. How that is justified, I have no idea. I understand it's pretty expensive for the US.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Exactly, a 50+ year old embargo did not change a thing about Cuba. Perhaps a new direction is needed here as Cold War thinking failed to achieve a single goal in isolating Cuba. It did not work and they trade with many nations around the globe including many of our own allies.

There is no logical reason to continue the embargo... absolutely none.

Why not try a little trade and diplomacy as we do with plenty of other nations around the globe that also have governments and ideologies we do not agree with? The flip side of that question is are you willing to isolate the US from all those nations we currently trade with that operate in a manner you do not agree with? If so, who is the really the isolationist here and what point will it have?
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What "new direction" are you tlking about? Anything with specifics?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Rubio is against ending the embargo.
I'm sure we can count on Graham to oppose any ends to the embargo.
Any trade we have with them is pretty tightly controlled, isn't it? What, exactly do we buy/sell to Cuba?
We have prisoners in Cuba as well. How that is justified, I have no idea. I understand it's pretty expensive for the US.
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70 American Political Prisoners is what I heard. That isn't counting any US fugitives. The PDF on the trade with Cuba and the US says 700 million. Mostly agricultural.

Graham has already said he would do whatever to stop funding until Congress decides.

The Embargo worked until a point. It still had to many holes in it.


Btw.....I think the number for political opponents locked up and or missing, of Castros numbers 8400 and some change.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yep. Real, honest to goodness Cubans. Of course, a lot of what they said had to be anonymous, given the political climate of the country, but it seems that they've been told by the government that their economic problems are due to the US, but they don't believe it. They think socialism is a failure. They also think that diplomatic relationship with the US will be a good thing for the people of Cuba, and may lead to some positive changes.

The winds of change are starting to blow in Cuba. The Castro brothers won't be around much longer. A lot of Cubans have relatives in the U.S., and know how they live vs. how people live in Cuba.

And, one thing that was not covered by the embargo was cell phones. It seems our government actually gave away cell phones to Cubans. Must have been Obamaphones. Now, they can talk to family members in Florida.

The next thing will be the internet. Once they're connected, it will be difficult to keep them isolated from the rest of the world.
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Yes,everything depends on the death of the Castros and then the difficulties of who the land belongs to that was seized by the Castros. The pre revolutionary owners and their descendents? Auctions? Castros friends and family? It will a mess for decades to come, even after those bastardos croak.
 
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