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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

Dittohead not! said:
So, the Canadians want to keep it all to themselves. Oh, well, the US does have places of its own with warm water and sandy beaches.
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Greetings, Dittohead not! :2wave:

Yes, but where are the casas particulaire and the paladares in our country? :mrgreen: I have no idea what they are, and I'm not going to look them up right now, but if tourism is allowed, I've just got to go see what Grand Mal is talking about! If it's anything like Mexico City, it sounds like fun! The huge Zocalo {open-air market} there took days to shop at, and I bought a lot of stuff since the conversion rate from dollars to the peso was very favorable at that time. I bought a five pound chunk of raw amethyst for a few dollars to use as a paperweight, and I was astonished when I got home and had it appraised! I gave it away as a gift, unfortunately, and I've been kicking myself ever since! I should have bought two! :slapme: :sigh:
 
Dittohead not! said:
The exiles seem to be doing rather well in Florida. The older generation may want to go back once Castro is gone, but the younger ones are Americans now.
Were they set up to fail? If they were, it didn't work, did it? They've been in power since 1960.

If there are human rights violations in the future, we will be able to impose sanctions. What would we do currently?
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How didn't it work? Where are they at economically, again? Their ideology has failed. Who can they turn to? Russia? NKorea? Who can help them turn things around?

Moreover how does BO's rhetoric stand up with his own words over Assad and Gadhafi. Castros are no different. How can BO accept one and not the other, huh?
 
Restoring diplomatic ties with Cuba? What's with all this eruption of sanity in Washington? » Spectator Blogs

This is not – repeat not - going soft on Cuba. It’s getting tough with Cuba. The old approach has had half a century to work and yet, golly, the Castros are still there, still running their sunshine-soaked island gulag. By any reasonable measure the old approach has failed. Every sensible person knows this. Every reasonable person knows just about any alternative policy could hardly do worse. So why not try something different? If the embargo was going to topple the Castros’ nasty little regime it would have done so by now. Perhaps capitalism should be given a chance instead.
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How is that spat between Rand Paul and Marco Rubio going?
Only Rubio could allow himself to be pigeonholed as an "isolationist" . :lamo
 
US Conservative said:
:lol: Hey Kobie, why dont you extend this logic to the war on poverty as well? Is it because its a means to get democrat party votes?
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What does the war on poverty have to do with the USA and CUBA restoring diplomatic relations, US Conservative?
Not to mention your diversion to being a means to get 'democrat party" votes !
 
NIMBY said:
What does the war on poverty have to do with the USA and CUBA restoring diplomatic relations, US Conservative?
Not to mention your diversion to being a means to get 'democrat party" votes !
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Just that its a stunning hypocrisy! But then again, the left has never been about consistency except in appeasing dictators and well, hypocrisy. Oh and feeling great about failure.
 
Grand Mal said:
I love those people. Best two weeks I ever spent in a warm-weather destination was in Cuba. I selfishly want there to be no opening of the border to American tourism but I really hope for more prosperity and a more liberal government for those people.
It's a unique experience travelling there, staying in casas particulaire, eating in paladares, crowding into small venues with wonderful music and pro baseball in small ballparks and the atmosphere is without exception welcoming for the Canadian and European tourists.
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The more liberal government is happening, albeit slowly.

I too fell in love with the place, the people are among the best in the Caribbean. It is so unspoiled, so honest, I would hate to see it become another Dominican Republic or Barbados.

The music! So much so good and like you say in this tiny little venues. But the food......what they can do with ham and pickles is to die for.

And yes, I have been welcomed in few places as I have there, it seems to them Canadians rock.
 
So now yer on to appeasing dictators, yer next diversion eh US Conservative.
With a little hypocrisy sprinkled on top .

US Conservative said:
Just that its a stunning hypocrisy! But then again, the left has never been about consistency except in appeasing dictators and well, hypocrisy. Oh and feeling great about failure.
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NIMBY said:
So now yer on to appeasing dictators, yer next diversion eh US Conservative.
With a little hypocrisy sprinkled on top .
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Meh, I pay it little heed. Pretty much par for the course for our buddy.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

China has an unusual system, but it works for them. They took the best from our system and meshed it with theirs, it appears. They even encourage their people to buy gold and silver, and hang on to what they buy - no in-and-out trading! Wonder what they're thinking? They are spearheading the effort to have a basket of currencies to replace our "petro-dollar" as the accepted global currency, too, and I read recently that the IMF may be in favor of that. They seem to think very long range as supposed to us, but they are making it work for them, plus they have become a trading partner with Russia, and many other large countries around the world while we're bogged down in a religious war in the ME. They have even been trading with Cuba for a long time, and although I don't see the benefit from that, they must or they wouldn't bother. Interesting people....
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China has changed a great deal. The Chinese are very different, they LIKE totalitarian government. My late wife and I entertained a foreign exchange student who was afraid here because you seldom see police, no one stops anyone on the street to check papers and you can do way too many things without a permit.

She said she only felt safe in China, even Hong Kong was too "permissive".

They want to be left alone to make lots and lots of money to pay for their ancestors in heaven and have all the other decisions made for them.
 
Fearandloathing said:
China has changed a great deal. The Chinese are very different, they LIKE totalitarian government. My late wife and I entertained a foreign exchange student who was afraid here because you seldom see police, no one stops anyone on the street to check papers and you can do way too many things without a permit.

She said she only felt safe in China, even Hong Kong was too "permissive".

They want to be left alone to make lots and lots of money to pay for their ancestors in heaven and have all the other decisions made for them.
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I've heard a lot of people from China who come here are spooked by the lack of overt police presence because they're so used to being monitored that they assume it's everywhere, and they'd rather be monitored by someone (or something) they can see rather than someone or something they can't.
 
Kobie said:
Um, yeah, things are much different now.

The Cold War has been over for more than 20 years, yet some insist on continuing to fight it. Reminds me of the stories of shipwrecked Japanese sailors who were rescued decades after WWII but refused to believe the war had ended.
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Yes, the Cold War is over and thus their has been no suppression of human rights since then. Whew!
 
Kobie said:
I've heard a lot of people from China who come here are spooked by the lack of overt police presence because they're so used to being monitored that they assume it's everywhere, and they'd rather be monitored by someone (or something) they can see rather than someone or something they can't.
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True.

It's also about crime, which has always been a plague in China. They are a brutal people to each other sometimes, odd because when you are exposed to the culture - I lived with it for 17 years - you see it is deep and rich with 'honor' through humility the prize.

Having an intrusive government to them is safety. However, as Mao and his followers found out, they can only go so far in trampling the masses.

You also have to realize that "Chinese" does not exist...it is not a nation but a collection of racial sub-types with nine full languages and 27 sub languages and over 200 dialects


The People of Sezchuan look little like the people of Gansu, the people of Hong Kong in the south have little in common with the people of Shanghai and neither even resemble Mongolian..
 
Kobie said:
I've heard a lot of people from China who come here are spooked by the lack of overt police presence because they're so used to being monitored that they assume it's everywhere, and they'd rather be monitored by someone (or something) they can see rather than someone or something they can't.
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They are monitored by both and dont have a choice.
 
Grant said:
Yes, the Cold War is over and thus their has been no suppression of human rights since then. Whew!
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And again, we are warm and fuzzy with plenty of dictators a hell of a lot worse than the Castros.

Fifty-plus years of embargoes, sanctions and closed diplomacy has not accomplished the goal of removing them from power.
 
Kobie said:
"Emphasizing"?

You know the righties have gone off the "with us or against us" deep end when they are champing at the bit to keep putting the screws to CUBA for no reason other than retribution for the Cold War.
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So you are 'with' the Castros? It seems you also have no idea what has happened to the Cuban people since 1989.

The ignorance about the lack of human rights in Cuba and the number of Cubans the communists have murdered is truly astonishing. It's also clear from these threads that few leftists have done any research on the subject and know less than nothing about Cuba and the suffering of its people. Or their leftist beliefs are more important than human rights, just as was the case during the Cold War.
 
Grant said:
So you are 'with' the Castros? It seems you also have no idea what has happened to the Cuban people since 1989.

The ignorance about the lack of human rights in Cuba and the number of Cubans the communists have murdered is truly astonishing. It's also clear from these threads that few leftists have done any research on the subject and know less than nothing about Cuba and the suffering of its people. Or their leftist beliefs are more important than human rights, just as was the case during the Cold War.
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Heya Grant. :2wave: Whats funny is how BO Peep said Assad and Gadhafi had to go. Step down. All for doing the same thing that the Castros have been doing for 50 some years. Remember how the left was so emotionally torn over the fact that they could kill their own people. Go after protestors and demonstrators. Political Opponents and Rivals. Check out some of the threads with our main leftists characters here. Quite a different tune then.....huh?
 
MMC said:
Heya Grant. :2wave: Whats funny is how BO Peep said Assad and Gadhafi had to go. Step down. All for doing the same thing that the Castros have been doing for 50 some years. Remember how the left was so emotionally torn over the fact that they could kill their own people. Go after protestors and demonstrators. Political Opponents and Rivals. Check out some of the threads with our main leftists characters here. Quite a different tune then.....huh?
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/sigh

Assad and Gadaffi were engaged in mass extermination campaigns that threatened to destabilize an entire region. The Castros, not so much. Cuba is also 90 miles from our shores.

Are Fidel and Raoul nice guys? Absolutely not. But to put them on the same level as Assad and Gadaffi is a bit disingenuous, to say the least.
 
MMC said:
Heya Grant. :2wave: Whats funny is how BO Peep said Assad and Gadhafi had to go. Step down. All for doing the same thing that the Castros have been doing for 50 some years. Remember how the left was so emotionally torn over the fact that they could kill their own people. Go after protestors and demonstrators. Political Opponents and Rivals. Check out some of the threads with our main leftists characters here. Quite a different tune then.....huh?
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Thats how it works with the left. They can't help themselves.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats how it works with the left. They can't help themselves.
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You are the canary in the mine. Any issue that causes you problems is a good one to pursue. This is great news about Cuba!
 
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