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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I question the timing of Obama's latest E.O. You see Russia is a big trade partner and friend with Cuba. The Ruble tanked yesterday. Venezuela is a big trade partner with Cuba. Venzuala's economy is on the skids as well. You think Obama could have done a better deal getting the two Americans back, neither one spies but were unjustly imprisoned without releasing 3 Cuban spies who killed 4 Americans. Cuba is hurting economically because of its partners. But then again it's not surprising considering he was willing to release several vicious terrorists from Gitmo in exchange for one U.S. deserter.
    Take a wild stab in the dark who is the #2 buyer of Cuban imports after Russia...

    BTW, you picked a dubious list but excluded that Cuba also import/exports with Netherlands, Canada, Spain, China, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Italy, and others.

    I think it is about time we got out of the Cold War cellar and consider options in dealing with Cuba that are more reflective of reality today.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

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    NO CIGARS NO SUPPORT!!!!! love it.



    True story, I mine bitcoins to buy cuban cigars from purosexpress.com


    Just cause it's cool. lol


    I got a box of cohiba magicos maduros last time around.
    Now that I know better, given the likely influence of the method employed to secure them, I'll bet they were fantastico!

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Obama made it sound like there was nothing being done to reach those goals. There is a divide on both sides of the aisle on how to proceed with Cuba. And for good reason. The Cuban-American population is very unhappy with Obama at the moment. They know this does nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Only getting rid of Castro and his regime will.
    The embargo has a 50 year record of doing nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Opening up relations can't possibly fail worse than the previous policy.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How do you think they'll react to it? That's a big discussion going on now. I'm curious myself. Some people say they won't react well. Others say they will. I heard Bret Baier say it's like 1950 in Cuba.

    Castro...hmmmm....that should be interesting.
    I was watching French News, and they had a live report from Cuba: the reporter said that the communist party is very well entrenched there; word was getting out, but like you said, some like it, some don't. I must say that one thing occurred to me while watching el heffe' make his statement this morning from the White House: this could be Obama's way of really overthrowing the Castro regime all together...
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, lets hope those efforts increase and work then. I wonder why the Demo Menendez is giving a full denunciation to this?




    The new U.S. policy announced by the administration is no doubt sweeping, and as of now there is no real understanding as to what changes the Cuban government is prepared to make,” Corker said in a statement. “We will be closely examining the implications of these major policy changes in the next Congress.”

    But the outgoing Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Democratic Bob Menendez of New Jersey, was expected to deliver a full-throated denunciation of the policy.

    The White House cannot completely lift the U.S. economic embargo on Cuba -- that will require action by Congress. But Obama unveiled executive actions to ease restrictions on trips by U.S. citizens to Cuba. Those travelers will also be able to buy Cuban goods for personal use, including up to $100 in alcohol or tobacco products, meaning that at least some Americans will be able to bring home some of the island's famous rum and cigars. In practice, that will mean granting travel licenses to all travelers in categories that Congress has already designated as permitted to go to Cuba. Those include: family visits, official U.S. government travel, journalism, professional research or meetings, educational exchanges, religious activities, public performances (including sporting events), and humanitarian work. Obama will also expand financial connections between the United States and Cuba, notably raising the amount of "remittances" -- essentially, tranfers of cash from Cuban-Americans to relatives in Cuba -- allowed from $500 every three months to $2,000.

    Lets not forget both sides.....released Intelligence people, or as they say here Intelligence assets. Like Corker says, we will need to see what Cuba has to say.

    Didn't the people of Florida, make Rubio relevant? Does he have the backing of those Cuban voters?
    If Corker wants to know what Cuba has to say why doesn't he just listen to Raul Castro's speech like everyone else? It's funny and sad how the public seems to know more the congressmen.


    Rubio might be relevant to his constituents, but not so much to the rest of the country or even to the GOP for that matter. They dumped him like a lead balloon because of his stance immigration. That's when he noticeably started saying what he thought the GOP wanted to hear instead of what he really believed, but it was too late, he was damaged goods. Imo, he made himself irrelevant when he turned to mush and didn't fight back.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Congress had already amended the travel restrictions in 2010 for Americans to travel to Cuba.
    Congress had already been working on legislation to open a new embassy in Havana.
    Congress had already started discussions in opening up banking in Cuba.

    Obama made it sound like there was nothing being done to reach those goals. There is a divide on both sides of the aisle on how to proceed with Cuba. And for good reason. The Cuban-American population is very unhappy with Obama at the moment. They know this does nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Only getting rid of Castro and his regime will.

    I question the timing of Obama's latest E.O. You see Russia is a big trade partner and friend with Cuba. The Ruble tanked yesterday. Venezuela is a big trade partner with Cuba. Venzuala's economy is on the skids as well. You think Obama could have done a better deal getting the two Americans back, neither one spies but were unjustly imprisoned without releasing 3 Cuban spies who killed 4 Americans. Cuba is hurting economically because of its partners. But then again it's not surprising considering he was willing to release several vicious terrorists from Gitmo in exchange for one U.S. deserter.

    Edit- And Obama stated in his announcement this afternoon that sanctions don't work. So why the Hell does he keep piling them on in Iran, in North Korea and Russia at the moment?
    Interesting perspective. I haven't really contemplated this much outside of cigars and baseball players. You have prompted me to look into this with some more attention to detail.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How many passports do you have? And how come I only have one!

    I've been to the Dominican and love it. If Cuba is half as good, I need to go there sometime. Your prospective trip sounds like my fantasy.
    I got an Irish dual citizenship about 10 years ago, nice to have, EU citizenship, I can also go to Brazil without paying $170 and waiting for a visa. Quite legal, even got hired with the State dept with dual citizenship...though I didn't take the job ultimately (offered 1 year after interviews and background checks). For Irish citizenship, you need a parent, or grandparent born in Ireland.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If Corker wants to know what Cuba has to say why doesn't he just listen to Raul Castro's speech like everyone else? It's funny and sad how the public seems to know more the congressmen.


    Rubio might be relevant to his constituents, but not so much to the rest of the country or even to the GOP for that matter. They dumped him like a lead balloon because of his stance immigration. That's when he noticeably started saying what he thought the GOP wanted to hear instead of what he really believed, but it was too late, he was damaged goods. Imo, he made himself irrelevant when he turned to mush and didn't fight back.


    Better yet.....what will the Demos have to say after Menendez is done denouncing this publicly.

    Yeah he took the hit on immigration.....but then for some reason. Those in Iowa have been quite interested in hearing what he had to say.

    He should have learned from Hillary.....that one cannot say just what people want to hear, and only for the moment. As it always comes back to haunt one. Just like it has with Hillary.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Congress had already amended the travel restrictions in 2010 for Americans to travel to Cuba.
    Congress had already been working on legislation to open a new embassy in Havana.
    Congress had already started discussions in opening up banking in Cuba.
    Then why is congress so surprised by Obama's announcement? And why are they vowing to fight lifting the restrictions ?

    Obama made it sound like there was nothing being done to reach those goals. There is a divide on both sides of the aisle on how to proceed with Cuba. And for good reason. The Cuban-American population is very unhappy with Obama at the moment. They know this does nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Only getting rid of Castro and his regime will.
    Normalizing diplomatic relations is a good start.

    I question the timing of Obama's latest E.O. You see Russia is a big trade partner and friend with Cuba. The Ruble tanked yesterday. Venezuela is a big trade partner with Cuba. Venzuala's economy is on the skids as well. You think Obama could have done a better deal getting the two Americans back, neither one spies but were unjustly imprisoned without releasing 3 Cuban spies who killed 4 Americans. Cuba is hurting economically because of its partners. But then again it's not surprising considering he was willing to release several vicious terrorists from Gitmo in exchange for one U.S. deserter.
    If Russia and Venuzuala's economies are hurting because of the sanctions then it shows they are working. While they are weak seems like the best time for the US to negotiate with them.
    Edit- And Obama stated in his announcement this afternoon that sanctions don't work. So why the Hell does he keep piling them on in Iran, in North Korea and Russia at the moment?
    Sanctions may not have worked in Cuba but they do seem to be working in Russia and helping to contain N. Korea.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Better yet.....what will the Demos have to say after Menendez is done denouncing this publicly.

    Yeah he took the hit on immigration.....but then for some reason. Those in Iowa have been quite interested in hearing what he had to say.

    He should have learned from Hillary.....that one cannot say just what people want to hear, and only for the moment. As it always comes back to haunt one. Just like it has with Hillary.
    Are you talking about Rubio or Menendenz?

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