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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, in a free society, we also have the presumption of innocence. So, what if anything, have these bad actors been convicted of? NOTHING! So their guilt is nothing but your opinion, which means squat.
    Well, that is rather the point JMAC--nobody has been convicted of anything. Bush admitted in Congress that they had not followed FISA procedures, and all Congress did was issue FISA II which granted immunity to the telecoms for having done NSA's dirty work for them.

    The executive branch and the CIA tortured, and proudly so. Ever read any of Dick Cheney's recent statements? POTUS admitted we tortured some folks.

    Their guilt is real, but you are so depraved that you support the crimes they committed, and pretend in your mind that they did not commit a crime. A sad situation to be sure.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    None of what you say is true but why so you spell America as Amerika? That spelling was once used to disparagingly compare the United States to Communist Russia. Do you feel that the USA is any way similar to the old USSR?
    I thought it was spelled with a 'k' to disparagingly compare the US to Fascist Germany. Russia uses the Cyrillic alphabet as I understand, and it doesn't have 'k'. German, OTOH, uses our alphabet and many 'k'.

    And everything I said was true--the rule of law is dead in this country. The way Wall Street and Congress interact is very much in a fascist model--bailouts of failed capitalist entities by the Public Treasury. A per capita rate of imprisonment 10 times higher than other "civilized" countries.

    Yeah baby, we've come a long way.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I thought it was spelled with a 'k' to disparagingly compare the US to Fascist Germany. Russia uses the Cyrillic alphabet as I understand, and it doesn't have 'k'. German, OTOH, uses our alphabet and many 'k'.

    And everything I said was true--the rule of law is dead in this country. The way Wall Street and Congress interact is very much in a fascist model--bailouts of failed capitalist entities by the Public Treasury. A per capita rate of imprisonment 10 times higher than other "civilized" countries.

    Yeah baby, we've come a long way.
    Yes I'm also pretty bothered by the Bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Unlike TARP that money wasn't paid back and unlike the Banks those two entities committed securities fraud on a unprecedented scale.

    Yea its corruption alright.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do terrorist enjoy constitutional rights in your eyes?
    Does this terrorist definition include people initiating waterboarding, torture, etc.?
    Saudis cut off about 19 heads a month. Are they included?
    Obviously, they have special rights because the USA is terrorizing Libya and the
    UN doesn't mind. NATO doesn't mind. EU doesn't mind. Lots of dead Libyans.
    US is terrorizing Syria. Same thing. Lots of dead Syrians.
    USA financial actions are terrorizing Russians. EU and Ukraine collaterol damage.
    Exactly what do you mean?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I thought it was spelled with a 'k' to disparagingly compare the US to Fascist Germany. Russia uses the Cyrillic alphabet as I understand, and it doesn't have 'k'. German, OTOH, uses our alphabet and many 'k'.
    So you feel the United States is somehow similar to fascist Germany? Or National Socialist Germany? It seems you either don't know much about the United States or don't know much about Nazism.

    And everything I said was true--the rule of law is dead in this country. The way Wall Street and Congress interact is very much in a fascist model--bailouts of failed capitalist entities by the Public Treasury. A per capita rate of imprisonment 10 times higher than other "civilized" countries.
    The rule of law is not dead. You have been misinformed.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well, that is rather the point JMAC--nobody has been convicted of anything. Bush admitted in Congress that they had not followed FISA procedures, and all Congress did was issue FISA II which granted immunity to the telecoms for having done NSA's dirty work for them.

    The executive branch and the CIA tortured, and proudly so. Ever read any of Dick Cheney's recent statements? POTUS admitted we tortured some folks.

    Their guilt is real, but you are so depraved that you support the crimes they committed, and pretend in your mind that they did not commit a crime. A sad situation to be sure.
    No, Henry....I am NOT "depraved" as you state...What I know is this...Those that went over the line, and I admit that some did exceed that line, were prosecuted, and convicted for it. But, People like you are so concerned with "context" when defending against claims in debate, and love to use it to dismiss anything that goes against your arguments, but are unwilling to apply it when you choose to make claims of your own....I call that hypocrisy.

    Now the context is that when 9/11 happened, we were caught with our pants around our ankles, and intelligence that had huge holes in it...IOW, we didn't know what was coming. That was due to lots of demo policies in the past that not only devastated the CIA operations of intelligence gathering abroad, but also 'stove piping' between agencies that resulted in not having what we needed to defend this country...With that in mind, we took action to rectify that, and now liberals like Fienstein are doing the exact same thing by releasing her one sided report designed to rewrite history, and exonerate demo's, while Senators like Fienstein, and Rockefeller were IN the damned briefings, and went along with it....

    There is likelyhood that we will never agree on this, but allow me to ask...What happens when say, you, and others get their way, and the US is not allowed to get the intel we need to stay on top of this Global war that we didn't ask for, didn't attack first, and haven't solved, and are attacked again? Then I suppose you'll stupidly say that whom ever is in office at the time is responsible for not seeing it coming, when in fact with arguments like this, you are advocating for applying the blindfold in the first place.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you feel the United States is somehow similar to fascist Germany? Or National Socialist Germany? It seems you either don't know much about the United States or don't know much about Nazism.

    The rule of law is not dead. You have been misinformed.
    Well, he thinks we attacked ourselves on 9/11 so what do you expect?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you feel the United States is somehow similar to fascist Germany? Or National Socialist Germany? It seems you either don't know much about the United States or don't know much about Nazism.

    The rule of law is not dead. You have been misinformed.
    Well, you're partially correct. Visit any county courthouse on any given day and you will discover many people being prosecuted for violating this law or that law, mostly traffic violations. Visit any federal courthouse and you will see the same thing, mostly drug violations.

    But consider any of the high profile stories. Fast & Furious, NSA violations, torture violations and myriad other cases of government agents and high elected and appointed officials in violation of numerous laws and you will see that nothing at all is being done to enforce the law against those officials. As Obama noted at the beginning of his administration, we must look forward, not backwards.

    Ordinary citizens are prosecuted under the full weight of the law, but cops are mostly exempt, and elected officials are exempt.

    See what I mean? Or will you pretend that no law is ever broken by elected officials?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, he thinks we attacked ourselves on 9/11 so what do you expect?
    It's a little more complicated than that JMAC. Probably not TOO complicated for you to grasp, but it must be close to that.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's a little more complicated than that JMAC. Probably not TOO complicated for you to grasp, but it must be close to that.
    Oh please...did you, or did you not say that we attacked ourselves with drone airliners?
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