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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, your response was to me and it made no sense.

    Is it your feeling that unless human rights are debated and resolved everywhere then it is hypocrisy to deal with Cuba?
    It is hypocrisy to use it as a reason to be involved...or not. Because then that question is very relevant....why arent we fighting for human rights in....NK, SA, China (which we have done and seen progress). China would be a good example of that we might expect, on a much smaller scale, economically and in detente, in Cuba.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It is hypocrisy to use it as a reason to be involved...or not. Because then that question is very relevant....why arent we fighting for human rights in....NK, SA, China (which we have done and seen progress). China would be a good example of that we might expect, on a much smaller scale, economically and in detente, in Cuba.
    What makes you think human rights aren't being fought for in other counties throughout the world? In fact they are, as we have seen throughout the last century.

    All you are doing, and I don't know if it is deliberate or not, is sidetracking the thread to other issues.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What makes you think human rights aren't being fought for in other counties throughout the world? In fact they are, as we have seen throughout the last century.

    All you are doing, and I don't know if it is deliberate or not, is sidetracking the thread to other issues.
    We are investing and making an official statement about our stance on dealing with a country in order to initiate change in their govt for, among other stated reasons, to improve human rights?

    Which ones?

    And it's certainly relevant to this thread as it is "a major reason both Obama and Rubio claimed as US goals in Cuba."
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What makes you think human rights aren't being fought for in other counties throughout the world? In fact they are, as we have seen throughout the last century.

    All you are doing, and I don't know if it is deliberate or not, is sidetracking the thread to other issues.
    Human Rights! Yassuh boss, we be just finished eliminating the right to be human in Iraq, to the tune of perhaps a million people, we smacked, smited and smoted in Afghanistan and there are lots fewer humans bitchin' bout human rights, don't ya' know? Libya and Qaddaffi got the human right revoked just recently. We, the USA, tried to revoke those same rights in Cuba, but they didn't want to play, eh? So we just put the ol' screws to Jose Jiminez and his progeny, cousins, neighbors, and non neighbors. Ya' gots to admit, we's fair, don't ya' know. No discrimination. We'll be happy to kill them all. I can envision the USA opening the gates at Guantanamo to show off our human rights when hell freezes over. Talk a good game, do whatever evil suits you and turn the public relations information over to those perception management people that the MSM does stenographic work for. Nobody wil ever know what's goin' on, eh?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was many times better under Batista. At a minimum people could leave.

    Do you really believe Cuba isn't corrupt now???

    Ahem..

    what do you have to offer as proof?

    I say you are dead wrong, that the GDP has risen far above what the US mafia allowed. It is no longer a staging point for 80% of America's lust for drugs. While there is poverty by US standards, they live far better today than under the mafia. There is virtually no unemployment, no prostitution, and NO ONE goes without health care at a standard higher than the US. under the mafia if you cut your hand off chopping sugar cane, they shot you.

    So, please, after having been to the island, seen the American Torture Camp with my own eyes, could you show me some data, any data, that shows "Cubans" were "better off" under the Mafia?

    I suggest that other than the high rollers who sold their country out, no one was better off.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

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    The United States on Wednesday condemned what it called Cuba's practice of repression following the detention of several activists, in the first major test of President Barack Obama's policy shift toward normalizing relations with the communist-ruled island. The arrests marked the most significant crackdown on the opposition since Cuba and the United States agreed on Dec. 17 to restore diplomatic ties and put behind them more than five decades of hostility.

    The State Department said it was deeply concerned by the detention on Tuesday of several "peaceful civil society members and activists" by the Cuban authorities."We strongly condemn the Cuban government's continued harassment and repeated use of arbitrary detention, at times with violence, to silence critics, disrupt peaceful assembly and freedom expression, and intimidate citizens," the State Department said in a statement. "We urge the government of Cuba to end its practice of repressing these and other internationally protected freedoms and to respect the universal human rights of Cuban citizens," it added.....snip~

    U.S. condemns Cuba's 'practice of repressing' after activists detained | Reuters

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    Hey MMC! And good morning.

    I could give a rats ass about what the US says about human rights in Cuba. There are none on the south end of the island, a little illegal encampment by a belligerent nation that is breaking international law engaging in the torture of people who have been DENIED DUE PROCESS.

    So, the State Department can throw all the rocks it wants from it's glass house, but the US needs to clean up its own act before it starts demanding how other nation's act, something they are being told consistently by the Chinese and likely now Havana.

    I will have time for US foreign policy toward Cuba, and island I adore, when they shut down that illegal encampment and compensate Cuba for the use of the land like they do all other "allies".
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    there's really no benefit for us in normalizing relations with Cuba..the Castro regime is the sole beneficiary.

    nothing changes for the Cuban people, they are still controlled by a totalitarian regime...even their movement and speech.
    nothing changes for the US as far as investing in Cuba.. foreign investment in tightly controlled by the Castro regime

    overall,I don't care too much ( primarily because nothing will change for the foreseeable future)... but I don't think Obama should be changing long held US foreign policy without even a debate.... in fact, I think it's ****ty he would do so... to do so with little/no resulting US benefit is just..well.. insane.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Human Rights! Yassuh boss, we be just finished eliminating the right to be human in Iraq, to the tune of perhaps a million people, we smacked, smited and smoted in Afghanistan and there are lots fewer humans bitchin' bout human rights, don't ya' know? Libya and Qaddaffi got the human right revoked just recently. We, the USA, tried to revoke those same rights in Cuba, but they didn't want to play, eh? So we just put the ol' screws to Jose Jiminez and his progeny, cousins, neighbors, and non neighbors. Ya' gots to admit, we's fair, don't ya' know. No discrimination. We'll be happy to kill them all. I can envision the USA opening the gates at Guantanamo to show off our human rights when hell freezes over. Talk a good game, do whatever evil suits you and turn the public relations information over to those perception management people that the MSM does stenographic work for. Nobody wil ever know what's goin' on, eh?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and the accused terrorist being tortured, the people being spied on in violation of the Fourth, or having property "forfeited" in violation of the fifth, what have they been convicted of in a court of law?

    It seems to me that giving the government unconstitutional powers in the name of security is a very dangerous precedent. Maybe I just don't trust the government enough.
    Do terrorist enjoy constitutional rights in your eyes?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do terrorist enjoy constitutional rights in your eyes?
    Alleged terrorists.

    You must agree

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, in a free society, we also have the presumption of innocence. So, what if anything, have these bad actors been convicted of? NOTHING! So their guilt is nothing but your opinion, which means squat.
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