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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Like we do so much for human rights in Saudi Arabia whom we bend over backwards for?
    I agree that all world leaders speak out against the human rights atrocities being carried out in the Muslim world but this thread is about Cuba.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why not? We do so with Saudi Arabia and did it with China. And look how things have opened more and benefitted the people in China.
    Why would we apply the same policies to totally different situations? Are Saudi Arabia and China the same? Are they the same as Cuba? Obviously, no.
    The upside is the people will benefit. Raul is open to this, so if change is acceptable by the Castros, then there is more likelihood it will continue after they are gone, since the underpinnings are being established.
    If you believe that the Castros will let one penny trickle down to the people, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree that all world leaders speak out against the human rights atrocities being carried out in the Muslim world but this thread is about Cuba.
    My responses to Vesper were regarding Marco Rubio's comments after Obama's speech where he discussed human rights, period. Not just in Cuba. I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Why would we apply the same policies to totally different situations? Are Saudi Arabia and China the same? Are they the same as Cuba? Obviously, no.


    If you believe that the Castros will let one penny trickle down to the people, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
    Didnt say the approaches should be the same but if, as Rubio claims, we should be protecting human rights everywhere then we obviously are not doing that...we are doing it where it suits our best interests. Not to mention that he's most likely wrong. Raul Castro was speaking at the same time and the changes discussed are designed to oopen up trade and travel and it's hard to imagine it making Cuban lives worse with trade embargos to be lifted and a better economy and communication with the US.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If there is what you determine as "illegitimate laws" then you as a citizen don't get to just ignore them, you should work to either change them, or have them removed from the books...But no, you don't get to just ignore the law that you disagree with.
    In a free society, you DO get to ignore them and disobey them. Caveat is that one is then exposed to legal repercussions. It's quite simple.

    For example, elected officials can break laws regarding torture as they please. They can violate laws regarding FISA or the Fourth Amendment, as they please. And in this day and age they suffer no legal repercussions for breaking those laws.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In a free society, you DO get to ignore them and disobey them. Caveat is that one is then exposed to legal repercussions. It's quite simple.

    For example, elected officials can break laws regarding torture as they please. They can violate laws regarding FISA or the Fourth Amendment, as they please. And in this day and age they suffer no legal repercussions for breaking those laws.

    Welcome to Amerika!!
    Well then, in a free society, we also have the presumption of innocence. So, what if anything, have these bad actors been convicted of? NOTHING! So their guilt is nothing but your opinion, which means squat.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, in a free society, we also have the presumption of innocence. So, what if anything, have these bad actors been convicted of? NOTHING! So their guilt is nothing but your opinion, which means squat.
    and the accused terrorist being tortured, the people being spied on in violation of the Fourth, or having property "forfeited" in violation of the fifth, what have they been convicted of in a court of law?

    It seems to me that giving the government unconstitutional powers in the name of security is a very dangerous precedent. Maybe I just don't trust the government enough.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    My responses to Vesper were regarding Marco Rubio's comments after Obama's speech where he discussed human rights, period. Not just in Cuba. I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
    No, your response was to me and it made no sense.

    Is it your feeling that unless human rights are debated and resolved everywhere then it is hypocrisy to deal with Cuba?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In a free society, you DO get to ignore them and disobey them. Caveat is that one is then exposed to legal repercussions. It's quite simple. For example, elected officials can break laws regarding torture as they please. They can violate laws regarding FISA or the Fourth Amendment, as they please. And in this day and age they suffer no legal repercussions for breaking those laws. Welcome to Amerika!!
    None of what you say is true but why so you spell America as Amerika? That spelling was once used to disparagingly compare the United States to Communist Russia. Do you feel that the USA is any way similar to the old USSR?

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