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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, perhaps something has changed. The Cuban cigars I've smoked have been remarkable.

    Dang, without the cigar thing, I can't imagine the point of normalizing relations, other than it just doesn't make any sense to keep the embargo going.

    I can't imagine ever wanting to go to Cuba, other than just to view the place like it's some kind of freak show. I don't think that would be very helpful.
    I don't know I have had Cuban smokes out of smoke shops in Dubai, Kuwait City, Bagdad, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, London and I have yet to be impressed. Maybe its the shops I went to. I prefer a stout smoke so maybe my tastes don't conform to the Cuban profile from Cuba, even though that's the style I normally smoke from Nicaragua and Dominica. My brand the I noramaly smoke is La Gloria Cuban their series R and N and the standard La Gloria Cuban, I also smoke Genuine Counterfeit Cubans the entire line. Maybe I am just spoiled.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    About friggin' time.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Fantastic, now we can poison them with Mcdonald's, High Fructose corn syrup, Professional wrestling and Monster truck pulls.
    Theres always Macaroni and Cheese, Captain Crunch, and Dancing with the Stars followed by reruns of the View.

    But I think they will go with the McDonalds, the outdoor venues and be luvin it. Just sayin.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Moot. Yeah he promised change......and this may turn out to be a good thing. As the rest of his Foreign Policy is a considered to be a failure. But opening up relations doesn't mean Cuba is going to open up their Internet at this time.

    Also, why would Rubio agree it will lift them economically but then say it will do nothing for human rights and Democracy in Cuba?
    Hi MMC. I heard Obama mention it in his speech today, but short of posting the transcript, this website also mentions it.....

    US will increase efforts to make internet access more available and affordable. Only five per cent of Cubans have access to the internet and costs are prohibitive. Telecommunications providers will be permitted to establish commercial infrastructure.
    From diplomatic relations to the internet: What the US-Cuba shake-up means - Americas - World - The Independent


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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I don't know I have had Cuban smokes out of smoke shops in Dubai, Kuwait City, Bagdad, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, London and I have yet to be impressed. Maybe its the shops I went to. I prefer a stout smoke so maybe my tastes don't conform to the Cuban profile from Cuba, even though that's the style I normally smoke from Nicaragua and Dominica. My brand the I noramaly smoke is La Gloria Cuban their series R and N and the standard La Gloria Cuban, I also smoke Genuine Counterfeit Cubans the entire line. Maybe I am just spoiled.
    It would seem you have a more refined pallet than I. The majority of Cubans I have smoked have typically been "bandless" types of claimed heritage. Also, on trips to the Caribbean, or to say Cancun, Mexico, the Cubans I've picked up there have been great. It's been awhile, but the Partagas, Montecristo, and Romeo y Julieta's were great.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    On a practical front, anything that would make fine Cuban cigars more available in the US is all the reason to restore some level of cooperation.


    You will find once they are legal and ubiquitous the mysticism and mythology around them will fade away. part of the charm is that you have contraband. I'll put up a padron 1926 anniversario against any cuban puros.

    Sorta like drinking loses it's magic after you turn 21.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Hi MMC. I heard Obama mention it in his speech today, but short of posting the transcript, this website also mentions it.....


    From diplomatic relations to the internet: What the US-Cuba shake-up means - Americas - World - The Independent


    Rubio has a reputation of saying whatever he thinks will make him relevant, even if goes against what he really believes.

    Well, lets hope those efforts increase and work then. I wonder why the Demo Menendez is giving a full denunciation to this?




    The new U.S. policy announced by the administration is no doubt sweeping, and as of now there is no real understanding as to what changes the Cuban government is prepared to make,” Corker said in a statement. “We will be closely examining the implications of these major policy changes in the next Congress.”

    But the outgoing Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Democratic Bob Menendez of New Jersey, was expected to deliver a full-throated denunciation of the policy.

    The White House cannot completely lift the U.S. economic embargo on Cuba -- that will require action by Congress. But Obama unveiled executive actions to ease restrictions on trips by U.S. citizens to Cuba. Those travelers will also be able to buy Cuban goods for personal use, including up to $100 in alcohol or tobacco products, meaning that at least some Americans will be able to bring home some of the island's famous rum and cigars. In practice, that will mean granting travel licenses to all travelers in categories that Congress has already designated as permitted to go to Cuba. Those include: family visits, official U.S. government travel, journalism, professional research or meetings, educational exchanges, religious activities, public performances (including sporting events), and humanitarian work. Obama will also expand financial connections between the United States and Cuba, notably raising the amount of "remittances" -- essentially, tranfers of cash from Cuban-Americans to relatives in Cuba -- allowed from $500 every three months to $2,000.

    Lets not forget both sides.....released Intelligence people, or as they say here Intelligence assets. Like Corker says, we will need to see what Cuba has to say.

    Didn't the people of Florida, make Rubio relevant? Does he have the backing of those Cuban voters?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, he did promise 'change'.

    But you're wrong, the people of Cuba will likely benefit a lot from the new changes. For one thing, Cubans will have more access to the internet and maybe even start doing more trade with the US. Their relatives in the US will also be able to send them more money. The US will also be opening a new embassy in Havana which will help normalize diplomatic relations and bring about mutual cooperation in many areas such as healthcare, immigration and fighting ebola. What isn't changing, at least not right away is the restrictions on US tourism. Only congress can change that. Which begs the question, why are US citizens less free to travel?
    Congress had already amended the travel restrictions in 2010 for Americans to travel to Cuba.
    Congress had already been working on legislation to open a new embassy in Havana.
    Congress had already started discussions in opening up banking in Cuba.

    Obama made it sound like there was nothing being done to reach those goals. There is a divide on both sides of the aisle on how to proceed with Cuba. And for good reason. The Cuban-American population is very unhappy with Obama at the moment. They know this does nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Only getting rid of Castro and his regime will.

    I question the timing of Obama's latest E.O. You see Russia is a big trade partner and friend with Cuba. The Ruble tanked yesterday. Venezuela is a big trade partner with Cuba. Venzuala's economy is on the skids as well. You think Obama could have done a better deal getting the two Americans back, neither one spies but were unjustly imprisoned without releasing 3 Cuban spies who killed 4 Americans. Cuba is hurting economically because of its partners. But then again it's not surprising considering he was willing to release several vicious terrorists from Gitmo in exchange for one U.S. deserter.

    Edit- And Obama stated in his announcement this afternoon that sanctions don't work. So why the Hell does he keep piling them on in Iran, in North Korea and Russia at the moment?
    Last edited by vesper; 12-17-14 at 04:19 PM.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You will find once they are legal and ubiquitous the mysticism and mythology around them will fade away. part of the charm is that you have contraband. I'll put up a padron 1926 anniversario against any cuban puros.

    Sorta like drinking loses it's magic after you turn 21.
    Ok, fine rain on my parade. Since it appears my Cuban Cigar fantasy is just in my head, I don't see any point in normalizing relations with them. We already have plenty of beat up old Chevy's in this country, and the Caribbean has plenty of great places to visit already.

    No cigars, no support.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Ok, fine rain on my parade. Since it appears my Cuban Cigar fantasy is just in my head, I don't see any point in normalizing relations with them. We already have plenty of beat up old Chevy's in this country, and the Caribbean has plenty of great places to visit already.

    No cigars, no support.


    NO CIGARS NO SUPPORT!!!!! love it.



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    Just cause it's cool. lol


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