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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have advocated lifting the embargo for the past twenty years. Nonetheless, you can't say that "it has not worked" without specifying the objective it was to achieve.
    I doubt the objectives were thought out well, but most opposition to lifting the embargo in this thread comes down to Cuba's habits. Where we agree is lifting the embargo, seems to be that is all we agree on.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I doubt the objectives were thought out well, but most opposition to lifting the embargo in this thread comes down to Cuba's habits. Where we agree is lifting the embargo, seems to be that is all we agree on.
    If the objective was to inflict economic pain on Cuba then that has been achieved.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If the objective was to inflict economic pain on Cuba then that has been achieved.
    I seriously doubt that.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    All those comments blaming the U.S. embargo for the poverty and backwardness of Cuba seem to miss the point that the island has been able to trade and interact with almost all of the rest of the world, Europe and Canada included. So why hasn't this cooperation been more beneficial for Cubans? Could it be because Cuba is a prison state?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't think so.
    Well, my trust in politicians is not strong enough to put money on it...But none the less, regardless of how that decision is made, the embargo will stay in place. And that is the part of this that will just crush the Cuban people.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, my trust in politicians is not strong enough to put money on it...But none the less, regardless of how that decision is made, the embargo will stay in place. And that is the part of this that will just crush the Cuban people.
    If the embargo does stay i place, whether through default or a positive action on the part of our dysfunctional Congress, it will indeed be a detriment to the Cuban people.

    Why anyone would think that is a good thing is beyond me. Why would anyone hate the Cuban people? Isn't it bad enough for them to be stuck with a failed socialistic regime?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Maybe you should educate yourself on how something came about before giving it your blessing. Because when people don't do that, it makes them out to be hypocrites of what they claim they stand for.
    Wrong. It makes the ignorant. That said, how it came to be has literally NOTHING to do with the fact that it is long past due. Can you grasp that or is it too broad of a concept?

    Charles Manson has deserved to die for decades now. Say he was killed and I applauded that it finally happened, as in the case with Cuba. I later find out that he was tortured for a year by lighting parts of him sporadically on fire from time to time until they eventually covered him with sweets and let fire ants bite him to death in agonizing pain. THAT would suck, just like the E.O. sucks. That has NOTHING to do with being glad that Cuban sanctions are over OR that Charley Manson is dead.

    Are you able... just a little teeny bit, to see how that is logical and makes sense or is your hatred so blinding that you can't see that you are ****ing wrong?

    EDIT: I just noticed that you completely ignored this post. I assume it is because the other tangent that was brought up was easier since it requires no accountability and my Manson analogy completely shoots down your uneducated and ignorant assumption.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Maybe you should educate yourself on how something came about before giving it your blessing. Because when people don't do that, it makes them out to be hypocrites of what they claim they stand for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wrong. It makes the ignorant. That said, how it came to be has literally NOTHING to do with the fact that it is long past due. Can you grasp that or is it too broad of a concept?

    Charles Manson has deserved to die for decades now. Say he was killed and I applauded that it finally happened, as in the case with Cuba. I later find out that he was tortured for a year by lighting parts of him sporadically on fire from time to time until they eventually covered him with sweets and let fire ants bite him to death in agonizing pain. THAT would suck, just like the E.O. sucks. That has NOTHING to do with being glad that Cuban sanctions are over OR that Charley Manson is dead.

    Are you able... just a little teeny bit, to see how that is logical and makes sense or is your hatred so blinding that you can't see that you are ****ing wrong?

    EDIT: I just noticed that you completely ignored this post. I assume it is because the other tangent that was brought up was easier since it requires no accountability and my Manson analogy completely shoots down your uneducated and ignorant assumption.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have been allied with both of you sometimes and opposed to both of you sometimes. It's Christmas Eve. Let's call a truce for the time being.
    It is Christmas Day here and I am alone and at work, to know the truth of it.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is Christmas Day here and I am alone and at work, to know the truth of it.
    I've done that before, but that life is in the rear view mirror now. An especially heartfelt Merry Christmas to you.
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