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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Actually, a lot more than you would think....

    “Take This Plane to Cuba”: Remembering the Hijackings of the 1960s
    http://modernamerica2011.wikispaces....ckings+-+1970s

    Airline hijackings to Cuba were a routine occurrence in the late 60s and early 70s. There were so many that the government decided to install metal detection devices at all US airports.

    As to urban decay, its not as simple as change in production methods. You do not see urban decay of US magnitude in most 1st world countries of Canada, within Europe and Australia.

    But, we digressing. No one is trying to juxtapose Cuba and the US to compare societies. That is a whole other discussion. I am only taking issue with the poster that thought he could well illustrate Cuba with a single photograph.


    Digressing?

    1960's hijackings relate to this how?

    As long as we're there let's talk about the Bay of Pigs,. and why not the billions the mafia dragged out of Cuba they used to buy American politicians?

    Hell,. if we're going to wallow in factoid history and not the facts of today, there's that bit of ugliness called the Battleship Maine, where the US sank it's own ship. hell there's a lot we can go off on.....maybe even how a lost at sea Italian dimwit thought he was half a world away and wiped out an entire indigenous population thinking he was dealing with "Indians".
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Due to a decision made by Congress, or due to them not being able to come to a decision?
    Decision. Pro active.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Decision. Pro active.
    Are you taking any bets on that?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There still is the issue of the embargo. Anyone think Congress will come to any decision on that one?
    An embargo made no difference at all. Cuba was free to trade with everyone else in the world and had no success at all, at least for the Cuban people.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, but is there anything specific? Do you have anything in mind concerning trade (such as what to trade, tariffs, a NAFTA type of agreement) and diplomacy (such as goals, property ownership, human rights, etc.) or it that it? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
    I do not have specifics, nor do I need them in this case as of yet. My point is still the same. Why do you keep arguing for something that has not worked in 50+ years? Why not try a different direction and see if it yields something including whatever they may be amicable to because of relations change? It is not likely that continuing the embargo will do much.
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    PressTV - Cuba will not extradite US fugitive: Official I guess Obama don't know what normal means.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Digressing?

    1960's hijackings relate to this how?

    As long as we're there let's talk about the Bay of Pigs,. and why not the billions the mafia dragged out of Cuba they used to buy American politicians?

    Hell,. if we're going to wallow in factoid history and not the facts of today, there's that bit of ugliness called the Battleship Maine, where the US sank it's own ship. hell there's a lot we can go off on.....maybe even how a lost at sea Italian dimwit thought he was half a world away and wiped out an entire indigenous population thinking he was dealing with "Indians".
    The hijackings relate to the specific point that no one would risk life and limb to go to Cuba. The fact is that some have. I simply addressed a specific assertion then dismissed as an irrelevant digression, as the issue was about someone posting a single photograph suggesting that it well captured the essence of Cuba.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you taking any bets on that?
    Nope.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope.
    I didn't think so.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I do not have specifics, nor do I need them in this case as of yet. My point is still the same. Why do you keep arguing for something that has not worked in 50+ years? Why not try a different direction and see if it yields something including whatever they may be amicable to because of relations change? It is not likely that continuing the embargo will do much.
    I have advocated lifting the embargo for the past twenty years. Nonetheless, you can't say that "it has not worked" without specifying the objective it was to achieve.
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