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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And whose fault was that?
    Probably the politicians who were unwilling to address the issue of normal relations with Cuba,
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do Cuban planes have a right to enter US airspace without permission?
    You may want to familiarize yourself with the history.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Probably the politicians who were unwilling to address the issue of normal relations with Cuba,
    Probably? The pathetic US President called Cuba "isolated" which is either stupid or a lie or both. The fact is that Cuba can trade with South America, Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, and anywhere else in the world except the US and, i believe, the Marshall Islands. So how does that make Cuba "isolated"?

    And why don't the Europeans, etc. invest in Cuba? Because it is simply not a good place to invest. Those type of questions can be asked until the truth eventually becomes clear.

    So what has the US to gain and what do the people of Cuba have to gain from Obama's pronouncement? Nada. It will be the Castro clique who gains and no one else. As always.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You may want to familiarize yourself with the history.
    Oh, you mean your revisionist history?

    1996 shootdown of Brothers to the Rescue planes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Their report concluded that the authorities in Cuba had notified the authorities in the United States of multiple violations of their airspace since May 1994.[3] In at least one case (13 July 1995), the pilot had released leaflets over Havana. The United States authorities had issued public statements advising of the potential consequences of unauthorized entry into Cuban airspace and had initiated legal actions against Basulto, but had retained his certification to fly during appeal. After Basulto was warned by an FAA official about the possibility of being shot down, he replied, "You must understand I have a mission in life to perform", disregarding the potential danger involved.[4] He would later say he considered the group's activities to be acts of civil disobedience against the regime, and a demonstration that such disobedience was possible.[4]
    According to Roque, Basulto had dropped the leaflets from 10 miles north of Havana, not the stated 12 miles, from a high altitude on a day when the winds would carry them south toward Cuba. Specifically, in a Cuban television interview days after the shootdown took place, Roque, from within Cuba, stated, "I personally have violated air space, specifically the last was on January 9, 1996, where I got a call the day before to participate in a flight to Havana where thousands of leaflets were going to be released from a height of more than 9,500 feet at a distance of less than 10 miles from the coast."
    All investigators have agreed that at least one of the planes did penetrate Cuban airspace that day; the dispute is over the location of shootdown.
    Brothers to the Rescue had violated Cuban airspace various times, they did so the day of the shotdown, and paid for it. As an American, I'd expect my government to do the same if a Cuban plane violated American airspace without permission multiple times and paid no attention to the Cuban government's warnings of possible repercussions if they kept doing it.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Probably? The pathetic US President called Cuba "isolated" which is either stupid or a lie or both. The fact is that Cuba can trade with South America, Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, and anywhere else in the world except the US and, i believe, the Marshall Islands. So how does that make Cuba "isolated"?

    And why don't the Europeans, etc. invest in Cuba? Because it is simply not a good place to invest. Those type of questions can be asked until the truth eventually becomes clear.

    So what has the US to gain and what do the people of Cuba have to gain from Obama's pronouncement? Nada. It will be the Castro clique who gains and no one else. As always.
    and what, then, do you think the "Castro clique" will gain from this?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Probably the politicians who were unwilling to address the issue of normal relations with Cuba,
    Or left loopholes in an Embargo.....huh?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and what, then, do you think the "Castro clique" will gain from this?
    They'll continue the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. Why would that change?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, you mean your revisionist history?
    What revisionist history?
    Brothers to the Rescue had violated Cuban airspace various times, they did so the day of the shotdown, and paid for it. As an American, I'd expect my government to do the same if a Cuban plane violated American airspace without permission multiple times and paid no attention to the Cuban government's warnings of possible repercussions if they kept doing it.
    Leftists shrugged when the Communist shot down the civilian KAL 007 also. The doctrine comes before human lives.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Seems to be the trend... For what it's worth I don't feel the embargo was effective, but mostly because Cuba had other venues to get their benefits from besides the US. They're built on a heavy tourism industry which comes largely from other countries and that's one thing that hasn't changed since the Castro's took a foothold. They have luxurious resorts that welcome foreigners yet bar citizens from attending unless of course they work there for meager salaries. And the money goes to a corrupt regime, I do not see that changing with our relationship which really puts to question what sort of change people are expecting. I can tell you right off that normalizing relations with China and Vietnam hasn't converted them to democracies.

    I do agree the US is hypocritical in those it does business with but then again, I'd like to see outsourcing made economically unfeasible so we aren't benefiting these communist countries the way we already do. Plus I suspect most people arguing for normalizing relations with Cuba don't don't have a whole lot of perspective with Cubans who personally experienced the government's policies there. The polls are reflecting a shift in Cuban-Americans opinions but the split in that is divided between the younger generations of Cubans and the older ones who fled Cuba when Castro gained power,

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What revisionist history?
    Leftists shrugged when the Communist shot down the civilian KAL 007 also. The doctrine comes before human lives.
    Trying hard to conflate issues? Was KAL 007 responsible for multiple violations into Russian territory?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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