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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No, not backward at all. In fact, the ancient word for whites translates into 'filthy beast', as European sailors were notoriously laden with disease, bugs and worms, they did not bathe nor wipe themselves.

    In fact too, the first contact between Chinese and Europeans was not through Marco Polo at all, but Genghis Khan's people who occupied what is now Russia and the Ukraine as far west as Kiev. Have cabbage rolls this Christmas and thank Genghis, for they are no more than a Chinese dim sum dish, a mixture of rice, meat, and spices in a leaf wrap.

    The Chinese had spread their metal working technology to Japan before Europe knew about steel and, of course, had invented paper before Jesus was born, and with sufficient caliber to make room dividers and walls.

    I traveled there with a Canadian trade delegation in the 70's, first time under Communist control for any of us. We were treated like royalty, but never left without a "translator", always a beautiful woman who could charmingly dismiss protests. I awoke one morning to find an army of people with brooms, hundreds of them, sweeping the streets below and went out to catch some sound for radio. I was in the lobby when our "translator", fully dressed for business, accosted me to let me know that foreigners were not permitted in the street before a certain time. I am pretty sure the rooms were bugged.

    The "safety" thing has a lot of xenophobia and paranoia in it, even when my wife and I traveled, I am "Gui Loh", 'white ghost', but she is "Lum col din", "foreign street walker'.

    If you ever wondered how the North Koreans got so paranoid, remember they are more northern Chinese than Japanese.
    I like hearing about people's travels! Makes my life interesting because I may never get to visit many of those places! When my mom and sister were taken to see the Three Gorges Dam as part of their tour, they learned that individuals do not order from a menu when dining on a boat. The food was put on a revolving circular center table in big bowls and platters, and everyone took what they want from the offerings. The big bowls were not passed around person to person like we do at Thanksgiving, for instance, but it was more like a buffet, except they were seated on cushions on the floor, and they just reached out and put on their plate what they wanted, and you could have seconds and thirds if you wished - the bowls were constantly being refilled, and the table was constantly slowly revolving. It was also the first time they had ever used chopsticks, and it was hilarious for me to hear about their travails when trying to eat rice! :

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It was unspoiled in 1955. In the meantime, communism has done this to Cuba.

    Attachment 67177541
    In the meantime, capitalism has done this to the United States...

    detroit-rundown-houses.jpgurban blight.jpgurban blight 3.jpg

    Brothers by a different mother?

    Wait, I found this photo from Cuba as well...

    CUBA BEACHES RESORTS.jpg

    I don't think you can really assess a country with a couple of photos...

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, surely "communist" China is a bigger legacy, and when you buy your S&P 500 index fund, you invest in 500 countries that are actively propping up the largest communist country on the planet with roughly 150 times the population of Cuba, is an immeasurably greater long term communist threat to the U.S., and as a bonus has little regard for human rights and like all communist countries laughs at the notion of political freedom. Walmart is a worldwide outlet for communist made goods - I'd think the communist leaders get a kick out of the fact that one of America's richest families got there by selling communist goods, therefore promoting the interests of communists. The promoters and defenders of 'free trade' with China are many times more guilty of promoting the interests of communists than anyone involved in changing our relationship with Cuba.

    BTW, when has the U.S. ever had a philosophical problem propping up a military dictatorship? If they agree to serve our interests (i.e. cut the U.S. into a share of profits), we might have installed the dictator!
    The "but they did it!" argument never works.

    The USA free trade with China is a slow moving disaster that - combined with regulations - has all but totally destroyed the USA industrial base and made the economic a self-serving services and money brokering economy.

    No one yet has shown anything but feel-good reasons for this deal with China.

    What China does NOT do is harbor terrorists and fugitives from American justice. The Chinese government is not a criminal organization of itself. While drugs may come out of China, the Chinese government isn't a drug cartel. And China isn't directly off our coast.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Really?

    You cherry pick a photo off the net and represent that as all of ****ing Cuba?

    That's obstinate and ignorant, continuing a myth to justify childish and bullying treatment because they repelled an illegal invasion.

    You've never been there and are too afraid to go.

    In 1955 the ****ing American mafia ran the island, people were virtual slaves to crime bosses.

    Clearly you never even bothered to wiki Cuba.
    They became slaves to a new criminal organization in the Castro regime.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    People in the US territories of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are nervous. Closer in proximity to the US mainland. Presumably cheaper labor. Presumably a bargain on the currency exchange rate. The allure of vacationing in a tropical paradise with Spanish colonial charm but frozen in time back to the 1960s and previously off limits to American travelers. What will be the economic impact on American citizens living in the Caribbean US territories?

    Many if not most Americans don't even realize US Virgin Islanders and Puerto Ricans are American citizens from birth. They cannot vote in Presidential elections, have only limited representation in congress (unless they relocated to one of the 50 states of DC) but the PR and USVI National Guard can sure be activated and sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to put their lives on the line defending America. I don't like excessive government spending but if Cuba starts to siphon off economic vitality from PR and the USVI, I thing some federal grants might be in order to temporarily stabilize the territorial economies. What exactly, I'm not sure. Maybe some school and college funding, police, hospital, cruise ship port fees waived and tax exemptions for businesses that open there.
    This is going to slam the critical tourist income of many of our friendly island territories and friends.

    Another of Obama's "Reward your enemies and punish your friends" agenda.

    Has any benefit to the USA or anyone else but the Cuban government and possibly Cubans even been suggested by Obama? No, just another of his guilt tripping apologizing for the existence of the United States to the rest of the world - and punishing Americans for it.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Las Vegas was run by the Mafia in the 60s and 70s

    It didn't turn into a oppressive dictatorship.

    The corporations took over after the Feds cracked down on organized crime.

    Cuba's problems are a direct result of the policies that have been implemented by the Communist dictators that Obama just apologized to.
    If he apologized to Cuba, it is the first time in recent memory that the USA, including me,
    can be proud of. Our recent history has been shame from Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Egypt,
    torture, gulag (Guantanamo), crooked banksters, and the list goes on. I am certain that
    an apology is the least we owe Cuba.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Obama apologized to a Communist dictator .
    Apologizing to dictators and tyrants is his favorite thing to do. That and cursing our allies and friends.

    With him no longer having reason to care what anyone thinks about him and having appointed himself Emperor, Obama has become very dangerous to our Country's future. He's tossed aside the Constitutional checks and balances.

    Still another constitutional provision Obama just laughed at and spit on:

    The Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2).

    Did the Senate vote on this? No.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The embargo has a 50 year record of doing nothing to bring freedom to the Cuban people. Opening up relations can't possibly fail worse than the previous policy.
    It is surprising how many members don't realize we aren't Cubans and Obama isn't the president of Cuba.

    I guess that's why no one sees any reason to give any benefit to AMERICANS and the USA for this - only for Cubans. And screw the Americans in Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands too - because they aren't Cuban and all that matters is what is good for us Cubans.

    Another punish America and American's last policy from our President of the World.


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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In what ways has communism made it better?
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    As if your mind is not made up already....

    Go there, then tell me what's going on.

    One way is that it is safer for me and my family to vacation there than in Hawaii or anywhere in the US.

    Go there, have a look and then blather about "communism"
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If he apologized to Cuba, it is the first time in recent memory that the USA, including me,
    can be proud of. Our recent history has been shame from Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Egypt,
    torture, gulag (Guantanamo), crooked banksters, and the list goes on. I am certain that
    an apology is the least we owe Cuba.
    We ought to do the same with Iran too. It will do a lot to move peace forward in the mideast.

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