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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Awesome, awesome news.

    My wife and I have been texting for the past 10 minutes about a trip down before it loses it's "old" Cuba vibe and becomes Disneyland South.
    That's a real danger, unfortunately.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    We can hope they will have one.....like most were doing, already awaiting the Castro demise, huh?
    Given their age, I don't think we have long to wait. The question is, what will follow?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    The more liberal government is happening, albeit slowly.

    I too fell in love with the place, the people are among the best in the Caribbean. It is so unspoiled, so honest, I would hate to see it become another Dominican Republic or Barbados.

    The music! So much so good and like you say in this tiny little venues. But the food......what they can do with ham and pickles is to die for.

    And yes, I have been welcomed in few places as I have there, it seems to them Canadians rock.
    Yeah, they're glad you came and want you to enjoy yourself. When I win the lottery I'm gonna pick a Cuban ball team, say Santa Clara or Santiago, and follow it around the country through a season. Gotta learn more Spanish first, though.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats how it works with the left. They can't help themselves.
    That is not a left/right attribute. It's politics. Politics makes strange bedfellows and often leads to message inconsistency.

    Sadaam Hussein had to go for human rights violations, but we installed and tolerate the new regime in Iraq, which remains a top 5 human rights violator. No one is advocating a change in leadership in China or Saudi Arabia, each major human rights violators. In 1973, we assisted in the overthrow of a duly elected leader in Chile, only to replace him with a ruthless dictator who was a pro at torture and "disappearing" people. Only President Carter attempted a foreign policy based on human rights. He was dismissed as nave. Even he tolerated the Shah of Iran.

    Sorry, pal, not everything is right is good; left is bad. You really need to be a bit more discerning in your criticisms lest you just look ignorant or simply a disingenuous party hack.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    You know, in some ways that doesn't sound like a bad idea! They sure put on an outstanding Olympic celebration when it was their turn, didn't they? I'll never forget that one for sheer grandeur! And building the Three Gorges Dam was an engineering marvel - they are not a backward people. My mother and sister visited China in the late 90s, and they were very impressed by the courtesy they were shown on their entire trip - even visiting the Great Wall on camel-back! I was sorry I couldn't go with them; too busy at work at that time, but I have the pictures they took. Wow!


    No, not backward at all. In fact, the ancient word for whites translates into 'filthy beast', as European sailors were notoriously laden with disease, bugs and worms, they did not bathe nor wipe themselves.

    In fact too, the first contact between Chinese and Europeans was not through Marco Polo at all, but Genghis Khan's people who occupied what is now Russia and the Ukraine as far west as Kiev. Have cabbage rolls this Christmas and thank Genghis, for they are no more than a Chinese dim sum dish, a mixture of rice, meat, and spices in a leaf wrap.

    The Chinese had spread their metal working technology to Japan before Europe knew about steel and, of course, had invented paper before Jesus was born, and with sufficient caliber to make room dividers and walls.

    I traveled there with a Canadian trade delegation in the 70's, first time under Communist control for any of us. We were treated like royalty, but never left without a "translator", always a beautiful woman who could charmingly dismiss protests. I awoke one morning to find an army of people with brooms, hundreds of them, sweeping the streets below and went out to catch some sound for radio. I was in the lobby when our "translator", fully dressed for business, accosted me to let me know that foreigners were not permitted in the street before a certain time. I am pretty sure the rooms were bugged.

    The "safety" thing has a lot of xenophobia and paranoia in it, even when my wife and I traveled, I am "Gui Loh", 'white ghost', but she is "Lum col din", "foreign street walker'.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It was unspoiled in 1955. In the meantime, communism has done this to Cuba.

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    Really?

    You cherry pick a photo off the net and represent that as all of ****ing Cuba?

    That's obstinate and ignorant, continuing a myth to justify childish and bullying treatment because they repelled an illegal invasion.

    You've never been there and are too afraid to go.

    In 1955 the ****ing American mafia ran the island, people were virtual slaves to crime bosses.

    Clearly you never even bothered to wiki Cuba.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Obama apologized to a Communist dictator, Ruben Castro on top of everything

    What a disgrace.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Really?

    You cherry pick a photo off the net and represent that as all of ****ing Cuba?

    That's obstinate and ignorant, continuing a myth to justify childish and bullying treatment because they repelled an illegal invasion.

    You've never been there and are too afraid to go.

    In 1955 the ****ing American mafia ran the island, people were virtual slaves to crime bosses.

    Clearly you never even bothered to wiki Cuba.
    In what ways has communism made it better?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Really?

    You cherry pick a photo off the net and represent that as all of ****ing Cuba?

    That's obstinate and ignorant, continuing a myth to justify childish and bullying treatment because they repelled an illegal invasion.

    You've never been there and are too afraid to go.

    In 1955 the ****ing American mafia ran the island, people were virtual slaves to crime bosses.

    Clearly you never even bothered to wiki Cuba.
    Las Vegas was run by the Mafia in the 60s and 70s

    It didn't turn into a oppressive dictatorship.

    The corporations took over after the Feds cracked down on organized crime.

    Cuba's problems are a direct result of the policies that have been implemented by the Communist dictators that Obama just apologized to.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years | Reuters

    I'm actually cautiously optimistic about this. We've had a rather odd relationship with Cuba ever since their fight for independence 100+ years ago but simple proximity makes some kind of normalization a matter of practicality.
    People in the US territories of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are nervous. Closer in proximity to the US mainland. Presumably cheaper labor. Presumably a bargain on the currency exchange rate. The allure of vacationing in a tropical paradise with Spanish colonial charm but frozen in time back to the 1960s and previously off limits to American travelers. What will be the economic impact on American citizens living in the Caribbean US territories?

    Many if not most Americans don't even realize US Virgin Islanders and Puerto Ricans are American citizens from birth. They cannot vote in Presidential elections, have only limited representation in congress (unless they relocated to one of the 50 states of DC) but the PR and USVI National Guard can sure be activated and sent to Afghanistan and Iraq to put their lives on the line defending America. I don't like excessive government spending but if Cuba starts to siphon off economic vitality from PR and the USVI, I thing some federal grants might be in order to temporarily stabilize the territorial economies. What exactly, I'm not sure. Maybe some school and college funding, police, hospital, cruise ship port fees waived and tax exemptions for businesses that open there.
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