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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It would be better for the Cubans to have free elections, something that they have never had in their history. Are we to wait for that to happen before having trade and diplomatic relations? If we wait, it will likely never happen. If we don't, it just might.

    And, if the Cubans had such a high standard of living under the dictator Batista, then it is most likely due to having a large and powerful trading partner so close, don't you think? It most certainly wouldn't have been due to having been free and democratic.

    Do you think those in exile, and the people of Cuba know that it is a matter of time and the Castros and their government will be out of power and that then they will be able to decide their course. How old are they again?

    Was the Castros set up to fall? Were they failing? So now after they get caught up for more human rights violations.....what do we do, close this New Embassy up and then say it was a mistake.....or until you get Right, then we will return?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Um, yeah, things are much different now.

    The Cold War has been over for more than 20 years, yet some insist on continuing to fight it. Reminds me of the stories of shipwrecked Japanese sailors who were rescued decades after WWII but refused to believe the war had ended.
    The cold war? and what does that have to do with Cuba? They still are a murderous dictatorship, even with the same damn dictator! So why should we grant them normal relations? Please don't tell me you are so naive, like most of the left, to think that they will spread the wealth around to the people they have been oppressing for 50+ years.

    Oh, and God help those idiots that end up in the Havana embassy. Obama doesn't have a great track record protecting our people. Make sure that life insurance is paid up.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They can not be a communist country and at the same time be a capitalist country.

    The two ideologies are not compatible. Either the government owns everything, or it does not. in capitalism, it does not.
    But they are in China. Their economic system is called a socialist market system. The state pretty much owns their corporations and anything else related to business is controlled through the bank which is also controlled by the state. Their government is based on Marxism–Leninism and Mao Zedong thought

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The cold war? and what does that have to do with Cuba? They still are a murderous dictatorship, even with the same damn dictator! So why should we grant them normal relations? Please don't tell me you are so naive, like most of the left, to think that they will spread the wealth around to the people they have been oppressing for 50+ years.

    Oh, and God help those idiots that end up in the Havana embassy. Obama doesn't have a great track record protecting our people. Make sure that life insurance is paid up.
    Oh, maybe establishing somewhat normal relations with Cuba might help it NOT be a "murderous dictatorship"?

    Number of people killed in American embassies = 0. Benghazi was a diplomatic compound in the middle of a ****ing WAR ZONE.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They can not be a communist country and at the same time be a capitalist country.

    The two ideologies are not compatible. Either the government owns everything, or it does not. in capitalism, it does not.
    Has there ever truly been a communist country under that definition? The government has never owned everything anywhere. There are varying levels. I would not argue that US is a communist country because it owned part of the GM for a period of time. And I would not argue that China is a capitalist nation because there are some small private businesses. When calling countries communist or capitalist, there is a lot of in between area.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think those in exile, and the people of Cuba know that it is a matter of time and the Castros and their government will be out of power and that then they will be able to decide their course. How old are they again?

    Was the Castros set up to fall? Were they failing? So now after they get caught up for more human rights violations.....what do we do, close this New Embassy up and then say it was a mistake.....or until you get Right, then we will return?
    The exiles seem to be doing rather well in Florida. The older generation may want to go back once Castro is gone, but the younger ones are Americans now.
    Were they set up to fail? If they were, it didn't work, did it? They've been in power since 1960.

    If there are human rights violations in the future, we will be able to impose sanctions. What would we do currently?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Has there ever truly been a communist country under that definition? The government has never owned everything anywhere. There are varying levels. I would not argue that US is a communist country because it owned part of the GM for a period of time. And I would not argue that China is a capitalist nation because there are some small private businesses. When calling countries communist or capitalist, there is a lot of in between area.
    The old Soviet Union was Communist under any definition but the pie in the sky "no government at all, everyone lives peacefully and contributes equally" pipe dream. There no longer is a Soviet Union. China under Mao was Communist, and failing to even feed its population. It is no longer Communist under any reasonable definition of the term. Communism is dead. Totalitarianism lives on, to be sure, but not communism.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    There is nothing to fear in Cuba.

    There are endless business possibilities and the as a resort destination there is none better in the Spanish Speaking world.

    Which is why I oppose this. US investment and tourism will ruin it.
    I love those people. Best two weeks I ever spent in a warm-weather destination was in Cuba. I selfishly want there to be no opening of the border to American tourism but I really hope for more prosperity and a more liberal government for those people.
    It's a unique experience travelling there, staying in casas particulaire, eating in paladares, crowding into small venues with wonderful music and pro baseball in small ballparks and the atmosphere is without exception welcoming for the Canadian and European tourists.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But they are in China. Their economic system is called a socialist market system. The state pretty much owns their corporations and anything else related to business is controlled through the bank which is also controlled by the state. Their government is based on Marxism–Leninism and Mao Zedong thought
    Greetings, Vesper.

    China has an unusual system, but it works for them. They took the best from our system and meshed it with theirs, it appears. They even encourage their people to buy gold and silver, and hang on to what they buy - no in-and-out trading! Wonder what they're thinking? They are spearheading the effort to have a basket of currencies to replace our "petro-dollar" as the accepted global currency, too, and I read recently that the IMF may be in favor of that. They seem to think very long range as supposed to us, but they are making it work for them, plus they have become a trading partner with Russia, and many other large countries around the world while we're bogged down in a religious war in the ME. They have even been trading with Cuba for a long time, and although I don't see the benefit from that, they must or they wouldn't bother. Interesting people....

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I love those people. Best two weeks I ever spent in a warm-weather destination was in Cuba. I selfishly want there to be no opening of the border to American tourism but I really hope for more prosperity and a more liberal government for those people.
    It's a unique experience travelling there, staying in casas particulaire, eating in paladares, crowding into small venues with wonderful music and pro baseball in small ballparks and the atmosphere is without exception welcoming for the Canadian and European tourists.
    So, the Canadians want to keep it all to themselves. Oh, well, the US does have places of its own with warm water and sandy beaches.
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