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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I suppose. Is the problem with Cuba, then, that they're so much like the US? I mean, shooting down passenger planes, torturing prisoners, seizing American property (Jog's post) is that our job?


    Yeah they are so much like us.....we always march out mothers so they can watch their sons and daughter be executed. Then turn around and put a bullet in the backs of the Mothers heads. I suppose that's what makes us human so all should be forgotten, huh?

    Do you think from now that all discussions should start off.....well the US is just as bad and here is why. Note how we do all the same things as tyrannical dictators do. Get that out of the way right away. So that we can embrace that equality you espouse so much.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    When it benefits us to change it, that's when. Are we going to start sending them foreign aid now? What's the upside in this, really?
    Wait and see. I predict American investment there, tourism, agricultural products bought and sold, natural resources bought, manufactured goods sold, a boon to both economies. Mostly to theirs, of course, since Cuba is a lot smaller than the US, but a mutual benefit at any rate. As for foreign aid, it's high time to put an end to that, particularly to countries that don't like the US.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah they are so much like us.....we always march out mothers so they can watch their sons and daughter be executed. Then turn around and put a bullet in the backs of the Mothers heads. I suppose that's what makes us human so all should be forgotten, huh?

    Do you think from now that all discussions should start off.....well the US is just as bad and here is why. Note how we do all the same things as tyrannical dictators do. Get that out of the way right away. So that we can embrace that equality you espouse so much.
    Well, you did bring up the airplane incident. Let the one without sin cast the first stone and all of that. The bottom line is that it's just foolish to continue to try to isolate Cuba due to its admittedly totalitarian government. Cuba is not a threat to the US. Opening diplomatic avenues and trade relations with Cuba is potentially a benefit to both our country and theirs. Moreover, we can exert some influence over Cuba if we have a trade/diplomatic relationship. If not, we have no influence over them at all. How would that benefit the Cuban people?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Wait and see. I predict American investment there, tourism, agricultural products bought and sold, natural resources bought, manufactured goods sold, a boon to both economies. Mostly to theirs, of course, since Cuba is a lot smaller than the US, but a mutual benefit at any rate. As for foreign aid, it's high time to put an end to that, particularly to countries that don't like the US.
    And we'd have all that and more by just letting the status quo be until they change their government. No dealing with dictators that way. We've been down this path before and it so rarely works out for us.

    And once again, what natural resources? All the other stuff we already get, there's a world market out there.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Our own government seizes American's property with impunity, but then, that's another issue. So, how long should we wait to recognize Cuba? It's been 54 years now. Is 60 years long enough? A hundred? When?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And we'd have all that and more by just letting the status quo be until they change their government. No dealing with dictators that way. We've been down this path before and it so rarely works out for us.

    And once again, what natural resources? All the other stuff we already get, there's a world market out there.
    Oh, we could just sit back and wait for things to change on their own. Such an isolationist sort of policy does have some appeal, or perhaps did a century ago. In many ways, we've gone way too far the other direction lately.

    I wasn't sure just what natural resources Cuba actually had, so i looked it up here.

    Natural resources include cobalt, nickel, iron ore, copper, manganese, salt, timber, silica, oil and petroleum.
    Not bad for a little island.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, you did bring up the airplane incident. Let the one without sin cast the first stone and all of that. The bottom line is that it's just foolish to continue to try to isolate Cuba due to its admittedly totalitarian government. Cuba is not a threat to the US. Opening diplomatic avenues and trade relations with Cuba is potentially a benefit to both our country and theirs. Moreover, we can exert some influence over Cuba if we have a trade/diplomatic relationship. If not, we have no influence over them at all. How would that benefit the Cuban people?

    It was just one of the things I brought up.....yes, lets always cast the stone at ourselves first. Like I said to embrace that equality we share so much. Did you have anything on the US marching out Mothers so they can watch their children be executed and then us putting a bullet in the back of the heads of those mothers? Over elections. Anything on that so we can share that equality?

    Cuba is not a threat to the US why again? Not like what has taken place for the past 50 years helped with any of that, huh? Did you forget they use to have the 4th highest standard of living in this hemisphere before Castro?

    Do you think we would have a better chance of doing anything.....with the Castros and their government out of the way?

    Would it be better for the Cuban people to have free elections and decide who it is they want to govern over them? Is it better for the Cuban people to have the Castros and Communism out of power or better for the Cuban people to have them in power?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It was just one of the things I brought up.....yes, lets always cast the stone at ourselves first. Like I said to embrace that equality we share so much. Did you have anything on the US marching out Mothers so they can watch their children be executed and then us putting a bullet in the back of the heads of those mothers? Over elections. Anything on that so we can share that equality?

    Cuba is not a threat to the US why again? Not like what has taken place for the past 50 years helped with any of that, huh? Did you forget they use to have the 4th highest standard of living in this hemisphere before Castro?

    Do you think we would have a better chance of doing anything.....with the Castros and their government out of the way?

    Would it be better for the Cuban people to have free elections and decide who it is they want to govern over them? Is it better for the Cuban people to have the Castros and Communism out of power or better for the Cuban people to have them in power?
    It would be better for the Cubans to have free elections, something that they have never had in their history. Are we to wait for that to happen before having trade and diplomatic relations? If we wait, it will likely never happen. If we don't, it just might.

    And, if the Cubans had such a high standard of living under the dictator Batista, then it is most likely due to having a large and powerful trading partner so close, don't you think? It most certainly wouldn't have been due to having been free and democratic.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, surely "communist" China is a bigger legacy, and when you buy your S&P 500 index fund, you invest in 500 countries that are actively propping up the largest communist country on the planet with roughly 150 times the population of Cuba, is an immeasurably greater long term communist threat to the U.S., and as a bonus has little regard for human rights and like all communist countries laughs at the notion of political freedom. Walmart is a worldwide outlet for communist made goods - I'd think the communist leaders get a kick out of the fact that one of America's richest families got there by selling communist goods, therefore promoting the interests of communists. The promoters and defenders of 'free trade' with China are many times more guilty of promoting the interests of communists than anyone involved in changing our relationship with Cuba. BTW, when has the U.S. ever had a philosophical problem propping up a military dictatorship? If they agree to serve our interests (i.e. cut the U.S. into a share of profits), we might have installed the dictator!
    Is it your understanding that China is still a communist nation, remaining the same as it was in the days of Mao Zedong?

    It seems you're not all that familiar with the Cold War.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    can one argue with straight face that the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista was any different than Castro's Regime?
    Well yes, of course! Do you not know any differences?

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