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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The embargo has been in place since 1960. It has failed.
    Will giving the totalitarian Cuban gov't more money, recognition and power help to reverse its failure to allow basic human rights?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It was a backhanded poke at those concerned about dealing with a "COMMUNIST!!!@@!!" country like Cuba. We have normalized relations, and free and open economic relations, with FAR worse and no one bats an eye.
    Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.
    Never had nukes pointed at us, they just fund terrorist attacks against us. I see your point - big difference.

    But besides that, maybe it's too bad for the Castro brothers they're not sitting on a bunch of oil. Presumably we'd patch over any ideological differences and pesky issues like human rights and funding those who attack us so long as they 'partnered' with U.S. companies to get it out of the ground...

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The embargo has been in place since 1960. It has failed.
    It has held Cuba in control perfectly.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Will giving the totalitarian Cuban gov't more money, recognition and power help to reverse its failure to allow basic human rights?
    That's the idea - that it's far harder for a totalitarian regime to maintain that system in the face of freer markets and engagement with free economies. And we haven't normalized relations - we've taken ONE step, with lots more carrots to hand out or not depending on what happens in Cuba.

    But, again, hate to keep mentioning this, but 'Will continuing a policy that's failed for 55 years finally succeed in perhaps 60 years, or 75 years?"

    If this was 1960 or 1970 and we could still hold out some hope we'd pressure them through economic means to change their ways, great. But it's 2014. We tried, that way failed. Maybe move on to something different? RADICAL IDEA!!!

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It has held Cuba in control perfectly.
    I didnt know Cuba was a threat to "get out of control"....


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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is great, 54 years of sanctions/embargo has done nothing, its time to stop this insanity. If we can do business with
    china, we certainly can do business with cuba.

    Way to go President Obama
    Yes, it has done something and continues to do something. It has starved a communist nation that once would have allowed itself to be a forward staging area for our enemies and has kept it from becoming so. This is a mistake.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It has held Cuba in control perfectly.
    I suppose - 'held Cuba in control' is a sort of vague accomplishment - what would the world look like if a tiny country like Cuba was not "in control?" But OK, a poor country has not gotten out of control.

    But that can't be the goal, and in fact someone quoted the goals of some of the legislation and it was to foster democracy, human rights, etc.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, it has done something and continues to do something. It has starved a communist nation that once would have allowed itself to be a forward staging area for our enemies and has kept it from becoming so. This is a mistake.
    The embargo can't have prevented Cuba from becoming a staging area for nukes or something. Starving it would make it more likely they'd agree to play that role. What kept them from housing nukes or whatever is the U.S. military, not being cut off from Levis, Ford and Coca Cola.

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