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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Communism is a failed ideology. It is dead. There is no longer a need to be fighting the cold war. We already won.
    If only!

    Communism, like most political isms, failed coming out of the gate but that doesn't mean it still didn't have its fanatical supporters and doesn't have them regrouping now.. They'll just call it something else, another 'ism' will take its place, and many in the democracies will support this new 'ism. We see that now with Islamism and its support from the same dysfunctional minds who previously supported Communism, Fascism, Nazism, and so on.

    These isms are not just a one-off and then relegated to the dustbins. They are a constant plague on the civilized world, with just the names changing, and they never entirely go away. They only complete with each other for which will the most dominant at any particular time.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

    Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.
    Well, THAT'S a stupid comparison.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, THAT'S a stupid comparison.
    Ask a 70-year-old Cuban in Miami if it is.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Hitler...LMAO.
    He really did exist. You people like to laugh off any comparisons to him and the Nazis because it so often hits so close to home.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The question has never been whether the Castos and military will accede to anything. The question is whether we will finance the Castros and prop up their military dictatorship. The answer has always been no - until Czar Obama decided to rescue one of the last two vestiges of worldwide Communism, something no American President was willing to do or even approach.

    This should be Obama's foreign policy legacy - the President who saved Communism.
    Well, surely "communist" China is a bigger legacy, and when you buy your S&P 500 index fund, you invest in 500 countries that are actively propping up the largest communist country on the planet with roughly 150 times the population of Cuba, is an immeasurably greater long term communist threat to the U.S., and as a bonus has little regard for human rights and like all communist countries laughs at the notion of political freedom. Walmart is a worldwide outlet for communist made goods - I'd think the communist leaders get a kick out of the fact that one of America's richest families got there by selling communist goods, therefore promoting the interests of communists. The promoters and defenders of 'free trade' with China are many times more guilty of promoting the interests of communists than anyone involved in changing our relationship with Cuba.

    BTW, when has the U.S. ever had a philosophical problem propping up a military dictatorship? If they agree to serve our interests (i.e. cut the U.S. into a share of profits), we might have installed the dictator!

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ask a 70-year-old Cuban in Miami if it is.
    can one argue with straight face that the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista was any different than Castro's Regime?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    He really did exist. You people like to laugh off any comparisons to him and the Nazis because it so often hits so close to home.
    No, we laugh off comparisons to him when they're patently absurd, such as here. If you want to compare Castro to anyone, you can take your pick of a couple dozen dictators or "elected" leaders in Central and South America and whose record of human rights is no better than the Castros in Cuba. Pick any one of many puppets we've backed and/or installed in various countries in the Americas and whose atrocities we ignore so long as those atrocities serve U.S. interests. Those would be meaningful comparisons.

    Hitler? LMFAO...

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    He really did exist. You people like to laugh off any comparisons to him and the Nazis because it so often hits so close to home.
    Yeah, THAT'S why. :roll
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's also a fallacy, with a 55 year record to prove it, that the Castros won't accede to change in the face of embargo, etc.
    Actually in the 90's the embargo was expanded after the fall of the Soviet Union which Cuba relied on much of its needs to encourage Castro to have a change of heart.

    The Cuban Democracy Act was signed into law in 1992 with the stated purpose of maintaining sanctions on Cuba so long as the Cuban government refuses to move toward "democratization and greater respect for human rights".

    In 1996, Congress passed the Helms–Burton Act, which further restricted United States citizens from doing business in or with Cuba, and mandated restrictions on giving public or private assistance to any successor government in Havana unless and until certain claims against the Cuban government are met.

    In 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo even further by also disallowing foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies to trade with Cuba.
    And it was working. Cuba was in a world of hurt.
    That same year Hugo Chavez was elected. Chavez then started sending very healthy checks to Castro from Venezuela's petro profits and spoiled the progress on the effects of the embargo. Chavez died last year and Venezuela's economy is in the tank. Once again Castro is really hurting. But we didn't have to wait for another Chavez to step in. Obama threw Castro a life-line.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually in the 90's the embargo was expanded after the fall of the Soviet Union which Cuba relied on much of its needs to encourage Castro to have a change of heart.

    The Cuban Democracy Act was signed into law in 1992 with the stated purpose of maintaining sanctions on Cuba so long as the Cuban government refuses to move toward "democratization and greater respect for human rights".

    In 1996, Congress passed the Helms–Burton Act, which further restricted United States citizens from doing business in or with Cuba, and mandated restrictions on giving public or private assistance to any successor government in Havana unless and until certain claims against the Cuban government are met.

    In 1999, U.S. President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo even further by also disallowing foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies to trade with Cuba.
    And it was working. Cuba was in a world of hurt.
    That same year Hugo Chavez was elected. Chavez then started sending very healthy checks to Castro from Venezuela's petro profits and spoiled the progress on the effects of the embargo. Chavez died last year and Venezuela's economy is in the tank. Once again Castro is really hurting. But we didn't have to wait for another Chavez to step in. Obama threw Castro a life-line.
    The embargo has been in place since 1960. It has failed.

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