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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What's really cool about this thread is how its drawing a distinctive line between conservatives who think and then usual conservative hacks who have nothing to say other than... "I hate obama" as their every post. Don't you agree?
    You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

    Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    “It is a fallacy that Cuba will reform just because the American President believes that if he extends his hand in peace that the Castro brothers suddenly will unclench their fists. A majority of democratic activists on the island, including many that I have met with, have been explicit that they want the U.S. to become open to Cuba only when there is reciprocal movement by the Castro government. They understand that the Castros will not accede to change in any other way."
    It's also a fallacy, with a 55 year record to prove it, that the Castros won't accede to change in the face of embargo, etc.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

    Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.
    You imagination really is bigger in Texas, and you threw in Hitler to boot! Congratulations!

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No debate. No discussion. Just the edict of the Emperor declaring it all a "failed policy" and issuing his edict. Then people parrot that statement of "a failed policy."

    Never mind the policy means Cuban isn't a nuclear weapons power.

    Forget that Cuban was exporting weapons and even troops for revolutions and taken overs by military overthrows in the Americas and Africa.

    Ignore the weapons connection between Cuba and N. Korea with weapons and missile flow between them intercepted just last year.

    Ignore that the Cuban government is a drug cartel or is a money laundering country.

    Don't mention that Cuban to this day is a base and safe haven for Columbian terrorists and kidnappers including of Americans.

    Doesn't matter that Cuban is harboring American fugitives including murderers and a Black Panther cop-killer shooting an American trooper twice in the head.

    Just chant with the Emperor "a failed policy" and post feel good messages cursing the USA. The current generation of Americans are running this country into the ground - FAST.
    Severing all diplomatic ties for 50 years has done nothing to stop any of the things you've itemized. Even our embargo is moot not only because we're the only ones participating in it but because Cubans have been importing American products from third-party nations for years. So if those facts don't render both as failed policies how would you describe it? More to the point, you complain that there was no debate or discussion yet do nothing but complain about the policy shift. Criticisms that aren't constructive are worthless. Propose an alternative or, at the very least, explain why a policy which has been ineffective at accomplishing it's goals for decades should be maintained.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

    Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.
    Further, US engagement with Cuba will not raise the probability that they'll evolve away from their repressive socialistic totalitarian regime. EU countries have been spending and investing there fro 20-30 years now, and it's not budged a micron from that.

    What will be interesting to see is what happens after the Castro brothers die off (they are 85 or so), and how the transition of power is handled.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You people will appease and make excuses for anything and anybody.

    Cuba offered nothing, and we just gave them a big pass. This is like excusing Hitler for the Holocaust in exchange for a Jetta.
    Hitler...LMAO.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Further, US engagement with Cuba will not raise the probability that they'll evolve away from their repressive socialistic totalitarian regime. EU countries have been spending and investing there fro 20-30 years now, and it's not budged a micron from that.
    I'm not sure to what extent the EU has engaged Cuba on those issues if at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    What will be interesting to see is what happens after the Castro brothers die off (they are 85 or so), and how the transition of power is handled.
    Renewed diplomatic relations may provide us with opportunities to influence the outcome of such a transition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I'm not sure to what extent the EU has engaged Cuba on those issues if at all.
    It's a popular vacation destination now that similar locations in the Med are typically booked beyond capacity. It think there's a fair amount of trade going on between the two as well, but less certain of that part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Renewed diplomatic relations may provide us with opportunities to influence the outcome of such a transition.
    That's the only thing that makes any sense to me as a motivation to take this action at this time. What would be the administration downside to actually saying, or hinting, at this during the press conferences?

    All politicians need to learn how to communicate better, more specific, clearer, easily understood, I'm thinking.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's also a fallacy, with a 55 year record to prove it, that the Castros won't accede to change in the face of embargo, etc.
    The question has never been whether the Castos and military will accede to anything. The question is whether we will finance the Castros and prop up their military dictatorship. The answer has always been no - until Czar Obama decided to rescue one of the last two vestiges of worldwide Communism, something no American President was willing to do or even approach.

    This should be Obama's foreign policy legacy - the President who saved Communism.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

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