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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh really? Do you discern what is Communism over whether their governments are in the global markets to make money? Can you not discern what is an economic system set up to support a government versus an individual? Oh Jesus help us.

    Tiananmen Square is located in the center of Beijing, the capital of China.

    Tiananmen means "gate of heavenly peace."

    In 1989, after several weeks of demonstrations, Chinese troops entered Tiananmen Square on June 4 and fired on civilians. A demonstration over democracy

    Estimates of the death toll range from several hundred to thousands.

    It has been estimated that as many as 10,000 people were arrested during and after the protests.

    Several dozen people have been executed for their parts in the demonstrations.

    As early as 2012 a man by the name of Wuer Kaixi, which I recommend you look up, is one of the organizers of the Tiananmen Square protest, attempted to return to China by turning himself over to the Chinese embassy in Washington, DC. The embassy refused to answer the door.

    Until you come to grips with understanding the difference between a government using the global market to make revenue versus individuals having the freedom to do the same, there is no reason to further this discussion. Communism is not dead.
    I didn't say China was a democracy. I said it was a capitalist country, and therefore no longer Communist. Communism is dead. That doesn't mean that the world is free and democratic.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    A rather ridiculous addition.



    We don't have extradition treaties with many nations. Should we cease diplomatic relations with them?
    First, the issue is NOT "diplomatic relation," but normalized relationship.

    Yes, we should not have normalized favored nation status with any country that is harboring terrorists and murderers who fled the USA to their safe haven.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yet the policy has been based on Castro and his regime. Clinton confirmed and validated that.
    Well, if Clinton validated it, then we dare not change it, right? He was, after all, a paragon of rectitude.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't say China was a democracy. I said it was a capitalist country, and therefore no longer Communist. Communism is dead. That doesn't mean that the world is free and democratic.
    There were only two communist countries left: Cuba and N. Korea. Both economically back to the wall. President Obama just reversed USA policy and saved the closest one. This is a MASSIVE victory for the socialist left over American foreign policy.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There were only two communist countries left: Cuba and N. Korea. Both economically back to the wall. President Obama just reversed USA policy and saved the closest one. This is a MASSIVE victory for the socialist left over American foreign policy.
    You are wrong! Good hyperbole, but wrong. This is a victory for the Cuban people.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I didn't say China was a democracy. I said it was a capitalist country, and therefore no longer Communist. Communism is dead. That doesn't mean that the world is free and democratic.
    How can that be Ditto when it is the Communist party that is the ruling party in China?

    BBC News - How China is ruled: Communist Party

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    It was a hotspot for the mafia. And with the hotels and casinos it was a cash cow also.
    You shouldn't all your historical information from the movies. Cubans were wotrkinhg and, msot importantly, they were not held prisoner.and could leave any time they wanted.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Lincoln freed the slaves by executive order. That's kind of how our system works. The checks and balances in our system distribute power so that no one branch can do everything. Obama has changed how the executive branch will handle relationships with Cuba, and he did so because our incompetent and lazy congress has done nothing on the subject for the past 57 years.

    What really baffles me is that you're complaining that Obama is implementing the will of the people. Do you prefer the status quo where congress just ignores what we want and hands fat sacks of cash to lobbyists and corporations?


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    No debate. No discussion. Just the edict of the Emperor declaring it all a "failed policy" and issuing his edict. Then people parrot that statement of "a failed policy."

    Never mind the policy means Cuban isn't a nuclear weapons power.

    Forget that Cuban was exporting weapons and even troops for revolutions and taken overs by military overthrows in the Americas and Africa.

    Ignore the weapons connection between Cuba and N. Korea with weapons and missile flow between them intercepted just last year.

    Ignore that the Cuban government is a drug cartel or is a money laundering country.

    Don't mention that Cuban to this day is a base and safe haven for Columbian terrorists and kidnappers including of Americans.

    Doesn't matter that Cuban is harboring American fugitives including murderers and a Black Panther cop-killer shooting an American trooper twice in the head.

    Just chant with the Emperor "a failed policy" and post feel good messages cursing the USA. The current generation of Americans are running this country into the ground - FAST.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    How can that be Ditto when it is the Communist party that is the ruling party in China?

    BBC News - How China is ruled: Communist Party
    Their politicians call themselves Communist. A lot of ours call themselves conservatives. Politicians call themselves by names that don't really fit all the time.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Their politicians call themselves Communist. A lot of ours call themselves conservatives. Politicians call themselves by names that don't really fit all the time.
    Really?
    From the first paragraph of the link I provided explaining the Communist Party of China...

    "The Chinese Communist Party's more than 80m-strong membership makes it the biggest political party in the world. Its tight organisation and ruthlessness help explain why it is also still in power.

    The party oversees and influences many aspects of people's lives - what they learn at school and watch on TV, even the number of children they are allowed.

    It is made up largely of government officials, army officers, farmers, model workers and employees of state-owned companies.

    It is unrepresentative of China as a whole. Only a quarter of its members are women, for example. It is also obsessive about control, regularly showing itself capable of great brutality in suppressing dissent or any challenge to its authority. "

    Basic definition of Communism- a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property.

    I'm sure you will find since the take over of the Communist Party in 1949, almost all lands are now either government owned or collectivities.

    They are a Communist country.

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