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    Why is Cuba on the list, and what ties does it still have to terrorists? Chapter 3 of the State Department’s 2013 Country Report on Terrorism lists just two reasons for the designation: Cuba has “long provided safe haven to members of Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC),” and it has “continued to harbor fugitives wanted in the United States.”

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    Cuba also has harbored members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, which also has been on the U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organization list since 1997. The State Department describes FARC as “Latin America’s oldest, largest, most violent, and best-equipped terrorist organization,” saying it “has been responsible for large numbers of kidnappings for ransom in Colombia, and in past years has allegedly held as many as 700 hostages,” including U.S. citizens.

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    Cuba, has refused to return fugitives that it deems “political prisoners,” such as Joanne Chesimard, a Black Liberation Army member who is wanted for killing a New Jersey State Trooper in 1973, according to the CRS report. Chesimard became the first female added to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist list in 2013.

    Obama didn't even bother to ask the cop-killer be sent back to the USA as a condition, did he?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Chesimard became the first female added to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist list in 2013.
    A rather ridiculous addition.

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    Obama didn't even bother to ask the cop-killer be sent back to the USA as a condition, did he?
    We don't have extradition treaties with many nations. Should we cease diplomatic relations with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It changes current policy without the Congress involved. It is an abuse of power.
    The point is there is a great deal of foreign policy that is squarely vested in the Executive branch - it's what the State department does. So it's not enough to say it changes current "policy" without Congress - that happens regularly and isn't the least bit constitutionally suspect. If there is some policy change that requires Congressional approval, what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The point is there is a great deal of foreign policy that is squarely vested in the Executive branch - it's what the State department does. So it's not enough to say it changes current "policy" without Congress - that happens regularly and isn't the least bit constitutionally suspect. If there is some policy change that requires Congressional approval, what is it?
    Senator Menendez said it best "Obama made regulatory changes, which are clearly intended to circumvent the intent and spirit of U.S. law and U.S. Congress.
    Press Release | Press | Chairman’s Press & Photos | Newsroom | United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

    Why bother to have a Foreign Affairs Committee in the House or a Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate that write the laws in regard to foreign policy, if the president has such powers to circumvent our laws?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Senator Menendez said it best "Obama made regulatory changes, which are clearly intended to circumvent the intent and spirit of U.S. law and U.S. Congress.
    Press Release | Press | Chairman’s Press & Photos | Newsroom | United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations

    Why bother to have a Foreign Affairs Committee in the House or a Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate that write the laws in regard to foreign policy, if the president has such powers to circumvent our laws?
    Lincoln freed the slaves by executive order. That's kind of how our system works. The checks and balances in our system distribute power so that no one branch can do everything. Obama has changed how the executive branch will handle relationships with Cuba, and he did so because our incompetent and lazy congress has done nothing on the subject for the past 57 years.

    What really baffles me is that you're complaining that Obama is implementing the will of the people. Do you prefer the status quo where congress just ignores what we want and hands fat sacks of cash to lobbyists and corporations?


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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I see the right-wing nuts angry that the Cuban people will now have some relief from this ridiculous embargo. Typical asshole behavior.
    I see the left wing drones somehow think the regime will distribute any additional income to the people. Hmm, do you think they might keep every penny for themselves? They've only been doing that for 50+ years. Nah, they'll give it to the people.

    Good thing Obama got these concessions up front, before saying something and looking stupid. The left is right on this one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Lincoln freed the slaves by executive order. That's kind of how our system works. The checks and balances in our system distribute power so that no one branch can do everything. Obama has changed how the executive branch will handle relationships with Cuba, and he did so because our incompetent and lazy congress has done nothing on the subject for the past 57 years.

    What really baffles me is that you're complaining that Obama is implementing the will of the people. Do you prefer the status quo where congress just ignores what we want and hands fat sacks of cash to lobbyists and corporations?


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    Your mention of Lincoln is a bit disingenuous as slaves were freed due to Lincoln's "war powers". The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal. Obama on the other hand made regulatory changes to existing law in relation to Cuba. The Constitution clearly lays out the powers of each branch of government. Changing existing laws without Congress' approval is not part of the powers the Executive Branch possesses. We have a system set up where we elect our representatives to make the case on our behalf. If normalizing relations with Cuba is important to the people, they should elect officials that will make that case for them to have the laws changed. Because it may be popular with a majority does not give the president the right to circumvent the laws already written.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Your mention of Lincoln is a bit disingenuous as slaves were freed due to Lincoln's "war powers". The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not outlaw slavery, and did not grant citizenship to the ex-slaves (called freedmen). It made the eradication of slavery an explicit war goal. Obama on the other hand made regulatory changes to existing law in relation to Cuba. The Constitution clearly lays out the powers of each branch of government. Changing existing laws without Congress' approval is not part of the powers the Executive Branch possesses. We have a system set up where we elect our representatives to make the case on our behalf. If normalizing relations with Cuba is important to the people, they should elect officials that will make that case for them to have the laws changed. Because it may be popular with a majority does not give the president the right to circumvent the laws already written.
    It doesn't change laws, that's what congress has to do. As I stated, it changes how the executive branch deals with Cuba. Foreign relations are completely in the realm of executive power. If you'd like to continue to trap Cubans on their island and cut them off from the rest of the world, you're going to have to give some good, quantifiable reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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