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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    America isn't. Remember there is a right-wing lean to this political forum. A majority of Americans aren't this extreme.
    You need to define "extreme".
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, in other words, it was basically a useless move by a petulant President who can't get his own way so he resorts to stirring the pot with no solid policy conclusions. Just what I've been saying.

    And just to be clear, perhaps you can tell us what are the significant American national interests resulting from Obama's move?
    Who said it was a "useless move" except right wing talking heads? Why would the Vatican or Canada get involved in negotiating something "useless?" It's a first step - do you have a suggestion about a better first step, or would you require that all the problems in Cuba be solved to Charles Krauthammer's liking before we do anything?

    And the last bit is just you being a partisan. If you can't think of any good reasons for better relations with a neighbor 90 miles off our coast, how that might benefit the people of Cuba, their relatives here in the U.S. and the Americas, use your imagination, maybe read something.

    It's not on the same level as Russia, but then it doesn't have to be on CanadaJohn's list of "Priority #1 Must Do Important!!!" items to make it worth doing.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    America isn't. Remember there is a right-wing lean to this political forum. A majority of Americans aren't this extreme.
    Well Damn that explains a lot. Good to know.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, you did almost think that, didn't you?
    You could certainly check the worst of those boxes if it was Saudi Arabia, including state sponsor of terrorism. I'm quite sure the average American is FAR more at risk because of wealthy Saudis sponsoring radical Islam in the ME and elsewhere than anything the Castro brothers have done in a couple decades at least - probably back to the Cuban missile crisis.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here Basic Wiki has a timeline.....it will help reacquaint the past events.
    I'm not sure what your point is - nothing there to show the great successes of our 50 year policy with Cuba...

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Re: China and capitalism:



    Communism is a failed ideology. It is dead. There is no longer a need to be fighting the cold war. We already won.
    Oh really? Do you discern what is Communism over whether their governments are in the global markets to make money? Can you not discern what is an economic system set up to support a government versus an individual? Oh Jesus help us.

    Tiananmen Square is located in the center of Beijing, the capital of China.

    Tiananmen means "gate of heavenly peace."

    In 1989, after several weeks of demonstrations, Chinese troops entered Tiananmen Square on June 4 and fired on civilians. A demonstration over democracy

    Estimates of the death toll range from several hundred to thousands.

    It has been estimated that as many as 10,000 people were arrested during and after the protests.

    Several dozen people have been executed for their parts in the demonstrations.

    As early as 2012 a man by the name of Wuer Kaixi, which I recommend you look up, is one of the organizers of the Tiananmen Square protest, attempted to return to China by turning himself over to the Chinese embassy in Washington, DC. The embassy refused to answer the door.

    Until you come to grips with understanding the difference between a government using the global market to make revenue versus individuals having the freedom to do the same, there is no reason to further this discussion. Communism is not dead.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Doesn't it just make you sick to your stomach, what Obama has done? People fighting, hoping for Castro to finally be gone and a chance at some sort of freedom. People that have escaped and come here that want their country to be freed. The poor people, living under this regime all these years. And then, under cut by our amateur in the White House. He throws a lifeline to his beloved communist buddies. Just horrible, I feel bad for them.

    Heya Anthony. Well.....he is a democrat. So you know what happens when one doesn't read a bill. Yet signs it to look good for the cameras.



    The $1.1 trillion spending bill enacted last week, for example, contains Cuba-related provisions in its roughly 1,600 pages, including a prohibition against funds for U.S. agriculture programs from being used to directly finance or provide assistance to Cuba and a handful of other countries.....snip~

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what your point is - nothing there to show the great successes of our 50 year policy with Cuba...
    Oh, but it does show what Castro was doing from 96 til now, including shooting down two US Civilian aircraft killing four US Citizens. But then that doesn't matter much anymore, huh?

    Nor stopping any journalists and writers from reporting human rights violations. Just some more Forget me Nots, Right?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Until you come to grips with understanding the difference between a government using the global market to make revenue versus individuals having the freedom to do the same, there is no reason to further this discussion. Communism is not dead.
    As we've understood the term, it is dead, which is why all 500 of the Fortune 500 almost surely have large business interests in China.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You need to define "extreme".
    All you need is a mirror.

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