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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    We'll see,I don't think congress is capable of doing anything productive
    Well, I know BO Peep isn't for following laws, huh? So they may have to.


    The White House attempts to normalize relationships with Cuba without the approval of Congress may be in direct violation of Helms-Burton that specifically states that all political prisoners must be released and free and fair elections must be held before establishing a diplomatic relationship,” she said.....snip~

    I wonder if another lawsuit isn't already underway.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Saudi Arabia.....
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I thought the part about Business would have gave it away. As opposed to the few dollars more with Cuba. Quite a difference with those who are major players with a Global Market, huh? Again.....as opposed to Cuba.

    Bottomline......the ones that lose, are those in Cuba who have been fighting for Democracy only to watch BO peep enable Castro's Tyranny.
    I don't see it that way. We've had a policy for 50 years that by all accounts "enabled Castro's Tyranny." It's just the historical record - we cut off all ties, imposed an economic embargo and travel ban, and Fidel is in his bed somewhere, having ruled for that entire time, and will almost surely die a free man in his own bed, and in the meantime the economic sanctions have hurt ordinary Cubans while doing exactly NOTHING to wrest power from Fidel and now his brother. How could something fail worse than that?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I've been hearing, I am literally on both sides of this...On the one hand I'd like to see the Cuban people have a better life, and prosper...On the other, I don't see what Obama got out of this....Correct me if I am wrong, but in a negotiation, aren't you supposed to get something for it?
    I dunno... what would he want from Cuba?

    Perhaps one of those classic '50s cars or something.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I dunno... what would he want from Cuba?

    Perhaps one of those classic '50s cars or something.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually our government eased up on the embargo and provided humanitarian aid to Cuba, passed by a Republican controlled Congress and signed by Bill Clinton.

    Funny, Cuban refugees didn't start pouring out onto our shores crossing on anything that could float for 200 miles until the Castro brothers took control. So it must have been a place the Cuban people were much happier and had more opportunities to produce a good life for themselves.

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    Since 1949, the Chinese government has been responsible for planning and managing the national economy. But it was only in 1978 – when Deng Xiaoping introduced capitalist market principles –that the Chinese economy began to show massive growth, averaging 10 percent GDP growth over the last 30 years. During that period the size of the Chinese economy grew by roughly 48 times, from $168.367 billion (current prices, US dollars) in 1981 to $8.227 trillion.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    WellBottomline......the ones that lose, are those in Cuba who have been fighting for Democracy only to watch BO peep enable Castro's Tyranny.
    Doesn't it just make you sick to your stomach, what Obama has done? People fighting, hoping for Castro to finally be gone and a chance at some sort of freedom. People that have escaped and come here that want their country to be freed. The poor people, living under this regime all these years. And then, under cut by our amateur in the White House. He throws a lifeline to his beloved communist buddies. Just horrible, I feel bad for them.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Doesn't it just make you sick to your stomach, what Obama has done? People fighting, hoping for Castro to finally be gone and a chance at some sort of freedom. People that have escaped and come here that want their country to be freed. The poor people, living under this regime all these years. And then, under cut by our amateur in the White House. He throws a lifeline to his beloved communist buddies. Just horrible, I feel bad for them.
    Couldn't this spark a revolution of some kind.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't see it that way. We've had a policy for 50 years that by all accounts "enabled Castro's Tyranny." It's just the historical record - we cut off all ties, imposed an economic embargo and travel ban, and Fidel is in his bed somewhere, having ruled for that entire time, and will almost surely die a free man in his own bed, and in the meantime the economic sanctions have hurt ordinary Cubans while doing exactly NOTHING to wrest power from Fidel and now his brother. How could something fail worse than that?


    Here Basic Wiki has a timeline.....it will help reacquaint the past events.




    1996 February Cuban authorities arrest or detain at least 150 dissidents, marking the most widespread crackdown on opposition groups in the country since the early 1960s.

    24 February Cuban fighter jets shoot down two US-registered civilian aircraft over international waters, killing four men

    12 March The Helms-Burton Act, which extends the U.S. embargo against Cuba to foreign companies is passed.

    2003 Apr Cuban government arrest 78 writers and dissidents blaming U.S. provocation and interference from James Cason, the chief of the United States Interests Section in Havana.....snip~

    Timeline of Cuban history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I dunno... what would he want from Cuba?

    Perhaps one of those classic '50s cars or something.
    I don't know, I am not a State Dept. expert on Cuban/American relations. But it seems to me, we want to see at the very least, the Castro Bros. loosen their grip, and move toward a more free Cuba...With Cuba taking a hit because their main monetary source, Venezuela drying up, they were primed to give on some of that....We got NOTHING.
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