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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    I don't think anyone knows what the u.s got out of it people on here are just speculating. As far as we know the Castro brothers might step down from power tomorrow

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If by "worked" you mean having created widespread starvation in Cuba, then you have a point. I'm not sure just why anyone would have wished such a thing on the people of Cuba, however.

    And Communism is dead. Even China gave it up, as witness their booming capitalistic economy.

    And Cuba under Batista was no democracy. It might have been a terrific place to vacation, on that I'm not sure, but it certainly wasn't a democracy any more than it is today.
    Actually our government eased up on the embargo and provided humanitarian aid to Cuba, passed by a Republican controlled Congress and signed by Bill Clinton.

    Funny, Cuban refugees didn't start pouring out onto our shores crossing on anything that could float for 200 miles until the Castro brothers took control. So it must have been a place the Cuban people were much happier and had more opportunities to produce a good life for themselves.

    BS on the Communism. Pull your head out of the sand. Hell do a google search.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    I don't think anyone knows what the u.s got out of it people on here are just speculating. As far as we know the Castro brothers might step down from power tomorrow
    Gee - that's comforting. Nobody knows how America benefited by supposedly normalizing relations with Cuba and releasing three Cuban spies who were involved in the downing of an airplane and the killing of two American pilots. I'm sure the Castro boys were on their knees begging Obama to take the deal and stop torturing them with his strong arm tactics.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No there is no Soviet Union but there is still Communism and it is on the rise.

    You fail to take in account of the past fifty years that the embargo on Cuba would have worked if Cuba hadn't got lucky with Hugo Chavez. We were once again at a position where Cuba was ready to collapse and Obama steps in to save the day leaving less hope for the people of that country to ever taste democracy and the human rights violations will continue.

    We had a very good relationship with Cuba prior to the Castro regime. It was a hot spot for many Americans for travel. I have pictures of my grandparents vacationing there. So your point is invalid.
    It is highly argumentative that Cuba trades with all they do today because of Hugo Chavez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Gee - that's comforting. Nobody knows how America benefited by supposedly normalizing relations with Cuba and releasing three Cuban spies who were involved in the downing of an airplane and the killing of two American pilots. I'm sure the Castro boys were on their knees begging Obama to take the deal and stop torturing them with his strong arm tactics.
    Well damn its only been a day. the Vatican had something to do with it so I'm sure there's more to the story

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    Well damn its only been a day. the Vatican had something to do with it so I'm sure there's more to the story
    Yeah, Castro probably had to provide the Vatican with a dozen young Cuban boys, orphans with no messy family ties.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It is highly argumentative that Cuba trades with all they do today because of Hugo Chavez.
    There is plenty written that Hugo Chavez stopped Cuba from totally colapsing when the Soviet Union crumbled. Take it or leave it. Believe what you want. No skin off my nose. There is plenty of information out there to validate that Chavez sent Cuba money to keep it going. Big money from oil. Hard to comprehend a democratic elected president would do such a thing when a good portion of his own country lived in slum conditions worse than third world. But he called Castro a "brother". The last of the totalitarian regimes in the Western hemisphere.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I've been hearing, I am literally on both sides of this...On the one hand I'd like to see the Cuban people have a better life, and prosper...On the other, I don't see what Obama got out of this....Correct me if I am wrong, but in a negotiation, aren't you supposed to get something for it?
    I wouldn't worry to much JMac. As BO isn't even going to get much out of his EO.



    How Congress Could Stymie Obama’s Cuba Plan.....

    “Relations with the Castro regime should not be revisited, let alone normalized, until the Cuban people enjoy freedom – and not one second sooner,” House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio). For those hoping to halt, or at least slow, the president’s efforts, there are a handful of legislative paths that are could present themselves once lawmakers return to Washington. They fall in three general areas:

    SPENDING BILLS: The most powerful tool available to Congress is its power of the purse: the ability to fund–or more importantly, defund–government programs, initiatives and other policies that lawmakers don’t like. The $1.1 trillion spending bill enacted last week, for example, contains Cuba-related provisions in its roughly 1,600 pages, including a prohibition against funds for U.S. agriculture programs from being used to directly finance or provide assistance to Cuba and a handful of other countries.

    Critics of Mr. Obama’s normalization plans have already signaled they plan to use the appropriations process to try to slow the process. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) tweeted on Wednesday that “I will do all in my power to block the use of funds to open an embassy in Cuba.” That’s no idle threat; Mr. Graham is slated to become chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee’s subcommittee on state and foreign operations next year. That not only puts him in charge of a bill that included $49.3 billion in discretionary spending for fiscal 2015, but also oversight of the State Department’s budget.

    How Congress Could Stymie Obama’s Cuba Plan - Washington Wire - WSJ

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Oh, and lets not forget what Rubio stated.



    Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.), Cuban-American himself, said as much on Wednesday at a news conference criticizing the Obama administration’s move. “I anticipate we’re going to have a very interesting couple of years discussing how you’re going to get an ambassador nominated and how you’re going to get an embassy funded,” he said.

    Like Mr. Graham, Mr. Rubio will be in a position to follow through on his promises. He’s slated to chair a key subcommittee on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee next year, giving him the ability to challenge the White House and State Department in both hearings and when the panel considers nominations.....snip~

    Guess BO Peep forgot about that, huh?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh, and lets not forget what Rubio stated.



    Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.), Cuban-American himself, said as much on Wednesday at a news conference criticizing the Obama administration’s move. “I anticipate we’re going to have a very interesting couple of years discussing how you’re going to get an ambassador nominated and how you’re going to get an embassy funded,” he said.

    Like Mr. Graham, Mr. Rubio will be in a position to follow through on his promises. He’s slated to chair a key subcommittee on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee next year, giving him the ability to challenge the White House and State Department in both hearings and when the panel considers nominations.....snip~

    Guess BO Peep forgot about that, huh?
    We'll see,I don't think congress is capable of doing anything productive

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