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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. Palin was just mocking the complete failure of Obama's policies. So you think it is about Obama just continuing the failed policies for no other reason than to change for change's sake? Might be. He wants to do it, and he's going to do it even if there is no real reason to do so.
    Obama is doing what he said he was going to do. Engage with our enemies like he has done with Iran. It's 2014. The embargo hasn't worked. Open relations with cuba and let the growing youth in cuba be exposed to some sense of freedom or just to see what it looks like. And see what happens. I think some good will come out of it. Where is the threat in this. I simply don't see it.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hard to believe he began with an 80% approval rating and has since lost the House, the Senate, and now his approval ratings are well into the negatives.
    Good afternoon Grant,

    I know most on the left find it hard to believe, but I'm not too surprised. I was far more surprised that more than half the American voting public recklessly decided to give him 4 more years.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon Grant,

    I know most on the left find it hard to believe, but I'm not too surprised. I was far more surprised that more than half the American voting public recklessly decided to give him 4 more years.
    When the alternative was Mitt Romney, they were willing to hold their noses and re-elect.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You think Cuba and Vietnam are the same? This is becoming too ridiculous!
    Maybe not the same

    Two nations that the USA took issue with around the same time in history for reasons of "communism"

    The USA recognizes Vietnam and has normal relations with them.

    A. It was the 2nd longest war The USA had ever fought against a nation.

    B. 58,000 American soldiers died and over 500,000 wounded.

    C. Ho Chi Minh never accounted for or recognized any of the soldiers supposedly MIA.

    The USA does not recognize Cuba and has an embargo against them.

    A. With the exception of The Bay Of Pigs no American soldier has ever died fighting against Cuba

    B. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved peacefully.

    C. Yes, Castro was a brutal dictator, but that makes him different than leaders from some of the countries we recognize how?

    What's wrong with this picture?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    Maybe not the same

    Two nations that the USA took issue with around the same time in history for reasons of "communism"

    The USA recognizes Vietnam and has normal relations with them.

    A. It was the 2nd longest war The USA had ever fought against a nation.

    B. 58,000 American soldiers died and over 500,000 wounded.

    C. Ho Chi Minh never accounted for or recognized any of the soldiers supposedly MIA.

    The USA does not recognize Cuba and has an embargo against them.

    A. With the exception of The Bay Of Pigs no American soldier has ever died fighting against Cuba

    B. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved peacefully.

    C. Yes, Castro was a brutal dictator, but that makes him different than leaders from some of the countries we recognize how?

    What's wrong with this picture?

    So why are even the Demos saying that what BO peep has done is.....validated the tyranny in the Fight against Castro?

    You weren't going to say everybody else is wrong and Only BO Peep is correct, now were ya?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    When the alternative was Mitt Romney, they were willing to hold their noses and re-elect.
    Nothing excuses giving Obama 4 more years after his first 4 - nothing.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So why are even the Demos saying that what BO peep has done is.....validated the tyranny in the Fight against Castro?

    You weren't going to say everybody else is wrong and Only BO Peep is correct, now were ya?
    What i can say is the elected dems in office are hypocrites. And lost me when they ran from their own agenda and blamed it on obama for their losses. These are grown ass men and women with no backbone . Where is the accountability For themselves

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And if you're still blindly infatuated with the awesomeness that is Obama, then I suppose having his opinion rule the land is just what you've been hoping for.
    Except I'm 1) not blindly infatuated with Obama 2) making ridiculous arguments that conclude serious policy choices on an important topic developed over months of negotiation in partnership with the Vatican and your own country are petulant and childish, or 3) suggesting alternative methods that based on the evidence of the past 6 years, and especially the past 4, have an approximately zero chance of succeeding, not to mention an unbroken 50 year record of failure, at least half of that after it was clear our policy of boycott's and disengagement was having no effect at all on Casto's power.

    Besides, he made a policy choice solidly within his prerogatives. It's step one of many if we are to have normalized relations with Cuba, and the vast majority of those other steps will require Congressional approval, and if that's not done this latest move will ultimately change almost nothing.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    What i can say is the elected dems in office are hypocrites. And lost me when they ran from their own agenda and blamed it on obama for their losses. These are grown ass men and women with no backbone . Where is the accountability For themselves
    So what do you say to all those who been fighting against Castro? Those who have watched their family members killed. Those who sought Democracy.

    Just what do you say to them? "What".....forgetaboutit? All that you did means nothing....as some Fine Cigars and Rum will help boost BO's economy. You can see how that would go over real swell with those that watched family members executed.....huh?

    Oh, and which of these Demos were re-elected and why again? How long has Menendez been in the Senate?




    Menendez said. "Trading Mr. Gross for three convicted criminals sets an extremely dangerous precedent. It invites dictatorial and rogue regimes to use Americans serving overseas as bargaining chips."

    Reps. Chris Smith (R-4th Dist.) and Albio Sires (D-8th Dist.) have introduced legislation named for Foerster that would require the executive branch to tell Congress what the U.S. is doing to extradite fugitives from Cuba and other countries. “Rather than bringing the Cuban people closer to democracy and freedom, by capitulating to the Castro brothers, the administration allows them to strengthen their grip on the Cuban people," said Rep. Chris Smith (R-4th Dist.). "Whatever joy we feel at the release of Alan Gross is tempered by the sadness that our president is enabling tyranny.” And Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr. (D-9th Dist.) said he would "insist that any opening of relations comes side-by-side with an opening of the Cuban government's political system from totalitarianism to one that respects democracy, human rights, and personal freedoms.".....snip~
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What makes you think that warming relations with Cuba has no benefit?
    I don't think legitimizing a bloody dictatorship located a few miles off the coast of the United States is IN ANY WAY a "benefit" to the United States. I'm pretty sure you don't have to be a foreign policy expert to come that conclusion. do you?

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