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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What do I see? I see potential trade opportunity and warming relations with a nation 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Not because Russia trades with them, but rather because Canada, Netherlands, Spain, China, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Italy, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries all over the globe all realized a long way back that isolationism of Cuba is a failed idea.
    What did all these countries recognizing Vuba help the Cuban people? Cuba had little to trade with other countries and there only chance at freedom during these years was escape. Does any of that change with this latest recognition? It doesn't seem so and, like the rest of the democratic world, we'll still be waiting for the tyrants death.
    A relic of the Cold War that no longer applies. Face it, we failed to achieve any objective in isolating Cuba. We need a new direction and a Libertarian answer here is one we should consider.
    That decision is not for Barrack Obama or anyone else to make. If nothing changed with all these countries you mention not changing things, why should it change now?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    With the new Congress being sworn in in January giving an majority to the Republicans in both chambers, it may very well come to that as last resort.
    I can almost guarantee they may not be able to agree on bathroom break times let alone on impeaching the president. It's going to be a mess.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then, why doesn't the Congress stand up on its hind legs and put an end to this authoritarian rule? Has it really become so dysfunctional, so limp wristed, so impotent that a president can simply take over both branches of government?
    Of course. As long as we allow incumbency, legislators will do as little as possible in the hopes of angering the fewest possible people. We're finished if we don't force a single term limit.

    Why don't our elected representatives address the issue of Cuba? Of illegal immigration? of health care? of anything at all? It's seriously time for a revolution at the ballot box in which we throw the rascals out and start over.
    Cuba is not an issue. It is a communist dictatorship inimical to the U.S. We shouldn't so much as look in its direction. Dealing with Cuba is just like dealing with Iran. There is no value in it for the U.S. Not even a little. This comment is made by me, a person actually raised in Cuba.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But if you can't stand Obama, then I suppose it must be "childish and petulant" to choose an option other than what Charles Krauthammer suggests.
    And if you're still blindly infatuated with the awesomeness that is Obama, then I suppose having his opinion rule the land is just what you've been hoping for.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What did all these countries recognizing Vuba help the Cuban people? Cuba had little to trade with other countries and there only chance at freedom during these years was escape. Does any of that change with this latest recognition? It doesn't seem so and, like the rest of the democratic world, we'll still be waiting for the tyrants death.
    Why would it change? And BTW, the rest of the "democratic" world moved on and trades with Cuba.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That decision is not for Barrack Obama or anyone else to make. If nothing changed with all these countries you mention not changing things, why should it change now?
    I agree it would be nice if this was handled by Congress.

    My main point is our foreign policy with Cuba, which is 50+ years old, failed to achieve any of the goals in isolating Cuba. So why not change direction since it is clear the embargo path did not work?
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Obama could introduce a non-binding resolution about the sky being blue and we'd be hearing about "Obama-sky." Any Republicans who said "Well, yes it is" would be called "RINOs"

    There is no support from both sides of the aisle anymore.
    Indeed. And belittling Congress and trying to marginalize their role in the governance of America is just the ticket to smoothing over differences and getting everyone on that bipartisan bandwagon.

    But hey, since I consider Democrats in the White House to be a blight on world issues, I have no serious problem with Obama destroying the Democrat brand over his remaining two years.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Rials6 View Post
    If he is trampling on the constitution or breaking laws why aren't republicans doing anything about it? Because he's not. Your just repeating what you've heard on tv with no actual facts. He's a constitutional scholar so I'm sure he knows how far he can go with out breaking any laws. And what do you mean whatever he can't get threw congress? Congress doesn't vote on anything. Lmao!
    The Supreme Court has continually ruled against Barrack Obama, bringing into question his claim to be a 'Constitution Scholar'. His flip-flops on immigration versus the Constitution reflect that.

    He may still be a 'constitutional scholar but, like his presidency, not a very good one.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1. For the record, they were currently working on the Cuba issue. It just wasn't going fast enough for Obama. 2. As far as health care, that can't be overturned unless there is a sitting president willing to overturn it. 3. But the House has resorted to suing Obama for his over-reach of powers in Obamacare. The cap and trade/EPA stuff has all been addressed in the House and passed but until the last election, Reid has shelved the stuff to avoid sending it to Obama's desk for a signature/Veto. 4. We will see some of that stuff getting passed on bi-partisan votes in the Senate but it will be doubtful that Obama will sign them. 5. We have two more years of Hell with probably another basketful of E.O.'s coming out of the White House making MAJOR changes although temporary. The only good news is whatever he has implemented by E.O. can be stopped the minute he vacates the Oval Office with hopefully replacing him with someone with a greater appreciation for our Contstitution. Until then, God knows what this man will do.
    1. They'd have been "working on it" for yet another fifty years.
    2. "overturning" Obama care is not the issue so much as coming up with a replacement. Right now, there is no alternate plan.
    3. Yep. Pure partisan gamesmanship. That is one thing that they can do.
    4. I'll believe that when I see it happen.
    5. Followed by what? Four years of.... (fill in the blank)

    and none of the above answers the question of just why the Congress sits idly by and allows the president to rule by executive order. If Obama is really shredding the Constitution and instituting one man rule, as is being claimed, why don't our elected representatives do something about it?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Indeed. And belittling Congress and trying to marginalize their role in the governance of America is just the ticket to smoothing over differences and getting everyone on that bipartisan bandwagon.

    But hey, since I consider Democrats in the White House to be a blight on world issues, I have no serious problem with Obama destroying the Democrat brand over his remaining two years.
    Hard to believe he began with an 80% approval rating and has since lost the House, the Senate, and now his approval ratings are well into the negatives.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Why would it change? And BTW, the rest of the "democratic" world moved on and trades with Cuba.
    Yes, I know but what good has this done the Cuban people? They are still trapped in Cuba under appalling living conditions. And what does Cuba have to trade anyway? They have no real industry.
    I agree it would be nice if this was handled by Congress.
    Yes, but that hasn't been happening.
    My main point is our foreign policy with Cuba, which is 50+ years old, failed to achieve any of the goals in isolating Cuba. So why not change direction since it is clear the embargo path did not work?
    Because it's up to the Castro family to change direction and there are no incentives for them to do so. Adding another country to the list of countries already on the trade list won't change a thing, which is the point many have raised. Why not negotiate something for the Cuban people before recognizing Cuba?

    Of course we can hope change will come but that hope has been going on for 50+ years now and there has been nada.

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