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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Once again, Obama has caved to an enemy and gotten absolutely nothing in return.

    You could buy a Cadillac from this guy for bag of Funyuns and a 40-ounce.

    This thread is hilarious. It's like a big, Communist group hug. The Cubans here in the states are mortified.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't see how you can make the leap that the decision about Cuba, agree or not, is a reflection of his "petulance," or childish, which implies that there was no serious reason to change a 50 year failed policy with Cuba. It's a big deal, the biggest change in Cuban relations in most of our lifetimes, will ultimately affect 11 million or so in Cuba and millions more exiles in this country, involved many months of negotiations that involved your country and the Vatican. Was the Pope "childish and petulant" for getting involved? If not, then explain how the Pope can have serious reasons to insert himself, but those same reasons don't apply to Obama.
    Obama's part is petulant and irresponsible because a complete and serious rapprochement between Cuba and America can only be permanently accomplished through Congressional action. All Obama has done is poke a stick in the eye of those he claims are obstuctionists. And he does it also by releasing admitted "terrorist" who were involved in the downing of an American plane killing a couple of American pilots to add insult.

    Sure the Pope could be involved. But an adult in the Oval Office would have done this above board, with Congressional support from both sides of the aisle and with the full knowledge and blessing of the American people. This is the same two bit side show that Obama's "immigration" executive order accomplished - a temporary pressure move that will likely end up just exacerbating any cooperation that may have been had between Republicans and Democrats in Congress over the next two years.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama's part is petulant and irresponsible because a complete and serious rapprochement between Cuba and America can only be permanently accomplished through Congressional action. All Obama has done is poke a stick in the eye of those he claims are obstuctionists. And he does it also by releasing admitted "terrorist" who were involved in the downing of an American plane killing a couple of American pilots to add insult.
    Well the GOP has been more "obstructionist" than any Congress in history, with legislation, and judicial and executive branch appointments, and has showed no interest in cooperating with the WH on anything except perhaps more wars or something.

    Sure the Pope could be involved. But an adult in the Oval Office would have done this above board, with Congressional support from both sides of the aisle and with the full knowledge and blessing of the American people. This is the same two bit side show that Obama's "immigration" executive order accomplished - a temporary pressure move that will likely end up just exacerbating any cooperation that may have been had between Republicans and Democrats in Congress over the next two years.
    Good point because working with Congress etc. on Cuba has worked so well in the past....oh yeah, we've had the same failed policy for 50 years because political cowards in Congress don't want to vote for normalizing relations with Cuba for the reason we see on this thread - coddling dictators, etc.

    Also, too, there's lots of evidence the GOP is willing to work in good faith with Obama on controversial issues like Cuba..... in another reality!

    So a serious person wanting to make a serious change in our relationship with Cuba at least arguably might elect the strategy we see here - multi-party negotiations over many months, including with the participation of the Vatican, which presumably is interested in human rights of the Cuban people, culminating in taking the very first step and only the first step in normalized relations. And if there is no further action on the part of Cuba towards human rights and other goals, likely the only step, quickly or potentially reversed day one of the next administration. It's a risk worth taking IMO.

    But if you can't stand Obama, then I suppose it must be "childish and petulant" to choose an option other than what Charles Krauthammer suggests.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Once again, Obama has caved to an enemy and gotten absolutely nothing in return.

    You could buy a Cadillac from this guy for bag of Funyuns and a 40-ounce.

    This thread is hilarious. It's like a big, Communist group hug. The Cubans here in the states are mortified.
    Well those sanctions have worked so well in getting rid of the Castros, just like the sanctions against North Korea have made that country a democracy. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Throw what away? What have we won?

    The Castros being at the end of their lives does not suggest all of a sudden Cuba will change, nor does it claim that we were ever successful in our embargo of Cuba forcing them to make a change. In fact it proves my point that our policy failed.

    And I told you the upside. Potential trade and better relations with a neighbor.
    Gee, what an upside. Trade with Cuba. Big deal. Who do you think will benefit from that? The people, or their dictators and army? Is that worth it? That's a hard decision?

    And tell me, what did we get back? More freedoms for the Cuban people? Opening up the country? Maybe cut back on the human rights violations? I thought Obama and the left were oh so concerned about torture and treating people well. But now Obama will overlook that in Cuba's case?

    There is no upside. That is why every President kept the embargo going. We never had one this clueless in office before. The Castros must be laughing at us.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama's part is petulant and irresponsible because a complete and serious rapprochement between Cuba and America can only be permanently accomplished through Congressional action. All Obama has done is poke a stick in the eye of those he claims are obstuctionists. And he does it also by releasing admitted "terrorist" who were involved in the downing of an American plane killing a couple of American pilots to add insult.

    Sure the Pope could be involved. But an adult in the Oval Office would have done this above board, with Congressional support from both sides of the aisle and with the full knowledge and blessing of the American people. This is the same two bit side show that Obama's "immigration" executive order accomplished - a temporary pressure move that will likely end up just exacerbating any cooperation that may have been had between Republicans and Democrats in Congress over the next two years.
    Obama could introduce a non-binding resolution about the sky being blue and we'd be hearing about "Obama-sky." Any Republicans who said "Well, yes it is" would be called "RINOs"

    There is no support from both sides of the aisle anymore.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The Castros must be laughing at us.
    They always did. Sanctions didn't work there, North Korea, Iraq, Iran....how long do we wait for the sanctions to get rid of the Castros, the Kims or the mullahs?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    I thought conservatives liked their politicians going rogue and being Mavericks.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    With 95% of the profits going to the Castro regime.
    Indeed. In fact, I've come to understand I may like Cuban cigars only because they are forbidden fruit, and a premium Honduran or Dominican label is just as good, if not better. Screw Castro and his cheap cigars I lust after.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    I missed where Cuba has now a want to become a functioning Democracy.... when did that happen?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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