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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Pope? In what way?
    I think NYT this morning mentioned that negotiations had been going on for 18 months? Either there or maybe TV news last night mentioned that the Vatican had been involved in the negotiations.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Don't hold your breath for a pro Obama rant, he is the one perpetrating this mistake.

    They are a totalitarian regime. Political prisoners. State sponsor of terrorism. Oppressive, communist dictatorship. And we should ignore that and just open an embassy in Havana? Are you kidding? I see no upside. What upside are you seeing? And don't tell me that if we are nice to them they will change. And we get what in return?
    State sponsored terrorism?

    Who you talking about?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I can see both sides of the argument on this. On the one hand opening up relations might have the same effect on Cuba as it did on China with increased commerce resulting in greater freedoms for Cubans. On the other hand it might not work out that way at all. Increased trade might only strengthen the Castro regime and do nothing for the liberty and prosperity of ordinary Cubans at all. After all, Cuba has been able to trade with most nations for many years and it has not resulted in any improvement of the lot of ordinary Cubans.

    I don't know how this will turn out. However, we've made no progress from our current policy toward Cuba, so maybe it's time to change that.

    One thing is certain. Cuban Americans will never get what they want. They will never get their lands and properties in Cuba back. That's never going to happen. That justice is never going to be realized. They need to be content with what they have.
    After the recent Hong Kong protest which are unheard of, it's amazing that people still believe that access to information (which commerce brings) would strengthen the Castro regime. The Castros have gotten rich off Cuba for 50 years on the basis that the US was embargoing the country and making it poor. Telling the Cuban people that we're open to communication proves that to be a lie that not even the Castros can spin.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    What does the Orlando Bosch story tell us about state-sponsored terrorism?

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Don't hold your breath for a pro Obama rant, he is the one perpetrating this mistake.

    They are a totalitarian regime. Political prisoners. State sponsor of terrorism. Oppressive, communist dictatorship. And we should ignore that and just open an embassy in Havana? Are you kidding? I see no upside. What upside are you seeing? And don't tell me that if we are nice to them they will change. And we get what in return?
    What do I see? I see potential trade opportunity and warming relations with a nation 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Not because Russia trades with them, but rather because Canada, Netherlands, Spain, China, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Italy, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries all over the globe all realized a long way back that isolationism of Cuba is a failed idea. A relic of the Cold War that no longer applies. Face it, we failed to achieve any objective in isolating Cuba. We need a new direction and a Libertarian answer here is one we should consider.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    “Is there no tyrant or anti-American center in the world that Obama will not appease for nothing in return?” - Charles Krauthammer on Cuba
    Pissing off Krauthamer is just icing on the cake.

    Good move Obama, keep pissing off the peanut gallery.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    On a practical front, anything that would make fine Cuban cigars more available in the US is all the reason to restore some level of cooperation.
    Although IMO Dominicans are better, not that I would know because the idea of visiting a certain unamed country to my north to try one would never cross my law abiding mind
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What do I see? I see potential trade opportunity and warming relations with a nation 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Not because Russia trades with them, but rather because Canada, Netherlands, Spain, China, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Italy, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries all over the globe all realized a long way back that isolationism of Cuba is a failed idea. A relic of the Cold War that no longer applies. Face it, we failed to achieve any objective in isolating Cuba. We need a new direction and a Libertarian answer here is one we should consider.
    So, we should trade with them because other countries do? The Castros are near the end of their lives, we have been embargoing them for 50 plus years. Why on Earth would we throw that away now, instead of letting them die off and giving the new leaders a choice to lighten up and be a freer country?

    And again, what is the upside, you didn't put one in your response.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    So, we should trade with them because other countries do? The Castros are near the end of their lives, we have been embargoing them for 50 plus years. Why on Earth would we throw that away now, instead of letting them die off and giving the new leaders a choice to lighten up and be a freer country?

    And again, what is the upside, you didn't put one in your response.
    Throw what away? What have we won?

    The Castros being at the end of their lives does not suggest all of a sudden Cuba will change, nor does it claim that we were ever successful in our embargo of Cuba forcing them to make a change. In fact it proves my point that our policy failed.

    And I told you the upside. Potential trade and better relations with a neighbor.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Broken by your standards?
    Broken by most people's standards. Certainly by progressive standards, and since Obama is a supposed to be a progressive president, he should use his lawful authority to make progressive changes in policy. Don't like it? Put forth a better candidate and have them win an election.

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