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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What makes you think that warming relations with Cuba has no benefit?
    See, this is the world stage we are playing on. Policy effects our country and our people. These actions are important. We have an absolute fool doing this. He is such an idiot, he decides to go it alone. He doesn't even know how incompetent he is. Imagine him playing poker for you with a full house, and he decides to fold when the other guy has nothing. Then he thinks he did something brilliant. That's what this moron is doing to us.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    See, this is the world stage we are playing on. Policy effects our country and our people. These actions are important. We have an absolute fool doing this. He is such an idiot, he decides to go it alone. He doesn't even know how incompetent he is. Imagine him playing poker for you with a full house, and he decides to fold when the other guy has nothing. Then he thinks he did something brilliant. That's what this moron is doing to us.
    You avoided the question with your anti-Obama rant.

    The question still stands. What makes you think that better relations with Cuba has no benefit to us?

    You do realize that Cuba trades with plenty of nations around the globe, we are one of the last nations to try to isolate them. And to be frank, it did not work. They have neither changed their regime, their habits, their style of government, their role in trade relations with even our allies. Perhaps we need a new direction here.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years | Reuters

    I'm actually cautiously optimistic about this. We've had a rather odd relationship with Cuba ever since their fight for independence 100+ years ago but simple proximity makes some kind of normalization a matter of practicality.
    I'm very happy about this. Credit where credit is due department, Obama has finally done something right and good.

    That does not absolve him of his many crimes, but this is a good step. They say the Pope had something to do with it.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years | Reuters

    I'm actually cautiously optimistic about this. We've had a rather odd relationship with Cuba ever since their fight for independence 100+ years ago but simple proximity makes some kind of normalization a matter of practicality.
    I can see both sides of the argument on this. On the one hand opening up relations might have the same effect on Cuba as it did on China with increased commerce resulting in greater freedoms for Cubans. On the other hand it might not work out that way at all. Increased trade might only strengthen the Castro regime and do nothing for the liberty and prosperity of ordinary Cubans at all. After all, Cuba has been able to trade with most nations for many years and it has not resulted in any improvement of the lot of ordinary Cubans.

    I don't know how this will turn out. However, we've made no progress from our current policy toward Cuba, so maybe it's time to change that.

    One thing is certain. Cuban Americans will never get what they want. They will never get their lands and properties in Cuba back. That's never going to happen. That justice is never going to be realized. They need to be content with what they have.
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    On a practical front, anything that would make fine Cuban cigars more available in the US is all the reason to restore some level of cooperation.
    With 95% of the profits going to the Castro regime.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm very happy about this. Credit where credit is due department, Obama has finally done something right and good.

    That does not absolve him of his many crimes, but this is a good step. They say the Pope had something to do with it.
    Well, he needed a win. Even a bad one.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    What's childish is Obama's way of governing. If you can't see his petulance or choose to ignore it, that's on you not me.
    I don't see how you can make the leap that the decision about Cuba, agree or not, is a reflection of his "petulance," or childish, which implies that there was no serious reason to change a 50 year failed policy with Cuba. It's a big deal, the biggest change in Cuban relations in most of our lifetimes, will ultimately affect 11 million or so in Cuba and millions more exiles in this country, involved many months of negotiations that involved your country and the Vatican. Was the Pope "childish and petulant" for getting involved? If not, then explain how the Pope can have serious reasons to insert himself, but those same reasons don't apply to Obama.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm very happy about this. Credit where credit is due department, Obama has finally done something right and good.

    That does not absolve him of his many crimes, but this is a good step. They say the Pope had something to do with it.
    I don't know how good this actually is. It seems to be another case where we offer something they want while getting nothing in return. That being said, if this ends up resulting in a Cuba where people are free to express their political opinions without fear of imprisonment then great. We'll just have to see how things play out.

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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm very happy about this. Credit where credit is due department, Obama has finally done something right and good.

    That does not absolve him of his many crimes, but this is a good step. They say the Pope had something to do with it.
    The Pope? In what way?
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    Re: U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You avoided the question with your anti-Obama rant.

    The question still stands. What makes you think that better relations with Cuba has no benefit to us?

    You do realize that Cuba trades with plenty of nations around the globe, we are one of the last nations to try to isolate them. And to be frank, it did not work. They have neither changed their regime, their habits, their style of government, their role in trade relations with even our allies. Perhaps we need a new direction here.
    Don't hold your breath for a pro Obama rant, he is the one perpetrating this mistake.

    They are a totalitarian regime. Political prisoners. State sponsor of terrorism. Oppressive, communist dictatorship. And we should ignore that and just open an embassy in Havana? Are you kidding? I see no upside. What upside are you seeing? And don't tell me that if we are nice to them they will change. And we get what in return?
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