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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nice excuses. I imagine there are those quite pleased with the results of their indoctrination. Minions spewing memes is no doubt a glorious thing. At least you're doing something for them.
    I agree with you but in this case the minions spouting the memes are the conservative and libertarians on this site that continue to use this as an example of everything that is wrong with the President. They have not facts to support their accusations. They have no examples of how the memoranda were used for anything but mundane management issues. They have no proof of how the President tried to hide these memoranda from the public. In fact there is ample proof, the fact that they have been publishing these memoranda on the White House.gov site that they are being as open as possible about them.

    I provide no excuses. What I have said is firmly grounded in fact. What these memoranda have been portrayed as by the conservative media and their minions is clearly the spewing memes your are referring to.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is how Demokrats define "most transparent administration."
    This is Mr. Hope & Change.
    ROTFLOL...

    It's sleazy, they know it, but hey... it's what they do... So what can R's do about it... espcially with The Demokrat's Sex Toy... John Boehner... he's a boner alright... an idiot if there ever was one. What's he gonna do? Have Congress challenge Obama...? ROTFLOL... Nooooo... he just opens all cavaties and says, let me be the instrument of your desires.

    First, one side almost totally obstructs the running of the government, even shutting it down for no apparent reason at one point. Then that side criticizes the leader of the other side for finding ways to pursue some actions in the face of such obstruction. Neat trick.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    I agree with you but in this case the minions spouting the memes are the conservative and libertarians on this site that continue to use this as an example of everything that is wrong with the President. They have not facts to support their accusations. They have no examples of how the memoranda were used for anything but mundane management issues. They have no proof of how the President tried to hide these memoranda from the public. In fact there is ample proof, the fact that they have been publishing these memoranda on the White House.gov site that they are being as open as possible about them.

    I provide no excuses. What I have said is firmly grounded in fact. What these memoranda have been portrayed as by the conservative media and their minions is clearly the spewing memes your are referring to.
    Uh huh. Then perhaps you could explain the President claiming he has made fewer unilateral EO's than Bush, but in reality, when combined with EM's, which carry similar weight, he has drafted more than any President since Truman. Can you explain his comments in light of this fact? Should the public be expected to split hairs as the President apparently loves to do?

    I get it that your a strong supporter of the President. I think he is one of the most arrogant and narcissistic Presidents in modern times. His policies are a joke, and the proof is massive. However, you're obviously not interested in acknowledging any of it. So be it.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Opinions have to have factual evidence and logic to back them up or they are complete nonsense.
    Or perhaps just a difference of opinion.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Uh huh. Then perhaps you could explain the President claiming he has made fewer unilateral EO's than Bush, but in reality, when combined with EM's, which carry similar weight, he has drafted more than any President since Truman. Can you explain his comments in light of this fact? Should the public be expected to split hairs as the President apparently loves to do?

    I get it that your a strong supporter of the President. I think he is one of the most arrogant and narcissistic Presidents in modern times. His policies are a joke, and the proof is massive. However, you're obviously not interested in acknowledging any of it. So be it.
    AGAIN...AD NAUSEUM...FOR LEARNING IMPAIRED

    The Executive Memoranda are NOT equivalent to Executive Orders. Particularly the way the President is using them. In fact some of the Executive Memoranda are managerial notes and directives on the Executive Orders that has signed. Instead of wasting time with countless meetings and having each management group for each affected branch of the executive write up managerial processes on what is expected the expectation is set in clear black and white english directly from the Chief Executive. The Executive Memoranda are managerial tools used for the mundane tasks of managing one of the largest organizations in the world. The President should draw attention to his heretofore restraint in the use of Executive Orders. The Executive Memoranda are not the same and should not be conflated as the same. The President was never trying to hide them and in fact has posted ALL the Executive Memoranda online for everyone (with a computer and internet access) to see. They are not controversial and do not represent massive shifts in policy. They are management tools.

    Again I point to my original claim that the right is an effin joke. No matter what you just keep repeating the same claims over and over again in the hopes that some ferry will make them come true. What controversy is next...The President doesn't salt his eggs??????? What a joke.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or perhaps just a difference of opinion.
    AGAIN opinions, if they are to be respected and considered valid, need to be rooted in fact and logic. If not they should and will be treated as the utter nonsense they are.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    How is the President hiding these?? These are also mostly minor crap...giving federal employees a day off on a Friday when Thursday is holiday...IMPEACH HIM NOW!

    Having the FBI and ATF track weapons used in crimes (I cannot beleive they were not already doing this)...WHAT A COMMIE IMPEACH HIM NOW!

    Creating a pilot program for a new type of savings account....SOCIALIST BASTARD IMPEACH HIM NOW!

    The right in this country is an effin joke.


    You are implying that Obama's actions are limited to the mundane, but seriously, do you really know what all of them are? Considering he has deliberately misled the American people on this very issue, as well as just about everything else he has done, are you really hat secure with all of his actions, that NONE of them benefit his cronies, fellow community organizers or even a voting bloc or two?

    Or, in the Obama world is that simply business as usual?

    You see, my problem is this. He says he has issuedless EO's than other presidents, but in truth his memo's and crap are the exact same thing and in fact he has issued more than any other president since FDR in the war.

    Also, he has fed all the "stupid voters" he idea he is taking this heroic stand for illegals and ****, when in fact he is merely creating an elite and kicking the can down the road while encouraging more aliens streaming into the country. And you haven't even read it have you?


    Is this the "progressive" standard in the USA? Is this what you excuse?

    Sorry, but this isn't government of the people for the people, it is government of the masses for Obama.

    And I do believe you are the first in this thread to use the word "impeach" and in ALL CAPS with an "!" all shouty and ****, so we know progressives are also prone to massive exaggeration and over reaction.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I would suggest the silence provides more evidence to what has been claimed about the media for many years.
    considering it took a major outlet ten days or more to cover Gruber's "tortured language" and "stupid voters" I figure any given American knows about 3% of what his or her government is actually doing, and half of that is spin and bull****.

    The last "open" in government we saw was during Watergate, which simply taught the bastards how to better hide it.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I would just like to see him spin his way around it. I imagine he'll just say "well i did go through congress, more than any other president. Im the most whatever you want president in history!"
    It has become apparent that whatever he says, the opposite is true. The Affordable Care Act isn't and you can't keep your plan. There was no recovery and "shovel ready" wasn't "tee, hee, as shovel ready as we thought."

    You hit it here:

    “The biggest problems we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power in to the executive branch, and not go through Congress at all,” he told an Iowa audience. “That’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America.”
    I note this with every post:

    "I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the Executive Branch and not go through Congress at all, and that's what I intend to reverse when I'm President of the United States of America." Senator Obama, 2008
    So now, after six years of bleating from Obama fanatics were learn that he is, in fact, no better than Bush by their own admission...as every criticism he's been shown results in one form or another of "Bush did it too" or "it's the republican's fault".

    the guy is at least the most incompetent and dishonest president of the modern era, and considering he's up against Truman, Hoover, Ford and Carter, that's shows wer're dealing with a large, ugly FAIL
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    considering it took a major outlet ten days or more to cover Gruber's "tortured language" and "stupid voters" I figure any given American knows about 3% of what his or her government is actually doing, and half of that is spin and bull****.

    The last "open" in government we saw was during Watergate, which simply taught the bastards how to better hide it.
    Agreed. With a complicit media, and labyrinth like websites offering access to public documents, (ever try to view documents on gpo.gov, or other government sites?), the government is counting on people remaining in the dark.

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