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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    How is someone supposed to administer the largest organization in the country. Should call everyone...Should he schedule meetings with everyone...meet with them personally??? Really? The memoranda are tool in his arsenal for managing the executive. It provides a direct outlet to people that otherwise may not know exactly how the President feels about a specific subject without him actually having a meeting or talking to those people which given the size and scope of the executive branch is impossible. To try to make this into a controversy is just bizarre and foolish.
    It all depends on what the memo's are about. Normal mundane functioning of government, one would expect no less. But controversial policy changes or perhaps changing the written law, that is trying to keep what he is doing covert, a secret. Government behind the scenes, which in a way is worse than the old smoked filled rooms.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It all depends on what the memo's are about. Normal mundane functioning of government, one would expect no less. But controversial policy changes or perhaps changing the written law, that is trying to keep what he is doing covert, a secret. Government behind the scenes, which in a way is worse than the old smoked filled rooms.
    Did you even the read the article? The article was obviously trying to make hay on this subject and the only examples they could come up with are the very mundane functioning of government you speak of. The article makes ridiculously bombastic statements like instituting gun control and then explain the memoranda told the FBI to start tracking weapons used in crimes...like they should have to be told that in the first place. Also it was clear in the article that they were not trying to hide these memoranda. That were in fact publishing them in multiple places regardless if the law required them to or not.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Did you even the read the article? The article was obviously trying to make hay on this subject and the only examples they could come up with are the very mundane functioning of government you speak of. The article makes ridiculously bombastic statements like instituting gun control and then explain the memoranda told the FBI to start tracking weapons used in crimes...like they should have to be told that in the first place. Also it was clear in the article that they were not trying to hide these memoranda. That were in fact publishing them in multiple places regardless if the law required them to or not.
    Talk about overreach, he had the audacity to issue a memorandum to change the name of the National Security Staff to the National Security Council Staff. Forget impeachment, he should have been lynched.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It all depends on what the memo's are about. Normal mundane functioning of government, one would expect no less. But controversial policy changes or perhaps changing the written law, that is trying to keep what he is doing covert, a secret. Government behind the scenes, which in a way is worse than the old smoked filled rooms.
    Greetings, Pero.

    He gave a campaign speech five days prior to election day in 1988 in which he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform the United States" if he were elected. That is one campaign promise he personally intended to keep, but the people cheering didn't understand what he meant at the time. Now they do.... 50 million on food stamps; trillions added to the debt in a few years; ignoring the Constitution that the Supreme Court unanimously ruled was overreach of his authority, but he doesn't care what the highest Court in the land said; forcing Obamacare on a populous that still doesn't like it, but who will be fined if they don't sign up for it; and lots more - nope, no one can say he didn't keep his word on that campaign promise! :

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Well for example, the establishment of a minimum wage for contractors was a memo, not an order. He basically used the power of federal contracts to forces business who want to get those contracts to pay a specific wage within their business.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...14/m-14-09.pdf

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Well for example, the establishment of a minimum wage for contractors was a memo, not an order. He basically used the power of federal contracts to forces business who want to get those contracts to pay a specific wage within their business.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...14/m-14-09.pdf
    First things first...lets get you facts straight. The President raised the minimum wage of contractors by executive order. Something even the memoranda that you posted states. The memoranda was managerial tool to describe how to implement that executive order. Second the President is well within in his rights as the Chief Executive to determine how much people are paid in the Executive Branch. To say otherwise is just complete nonsense.
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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Pero.

    He gave a campaign speech five days prior to election day in 1988 in which he said he wanted to "fundamentally transform the United States" if he were elected...forcing Obamacare on a populous that still doesn't like it, but who will be fined if they don't sign up for it; and lots more - nope, no one can say he didn't keep his word on that campaign promise! :
    OK so lets deal with the "points" you make in your statements, even though they have absolutely nothing to do with this thread, one at time.

    First, the campaign promise was not made in 1988 but 2008 unless you are referring to a campaign promise he made while running for the Harvard Law Review (minor point but worth stating).

    Second, there are only 46+ million people on food stamps right now. Even if I give you the rounding error to 50 there are significant reasons for that number being so high right now. The President inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. The recession, even though it ended in 2009, can account for 12-18% raise in the number of food stamp recipients. They do know for fact from past data that the number of recipients on food stamps lags economic recovery by about 5-10 years. The US population growth between now and when President Obama took office is about 3%. That accounts for 15 to 21% of the increase in the number of food stamp recipients. The fact that the President recognized that hunger was at its highest levels in the US in 15 years when he took office led him to expand the food stamp program to help cover low income workers that were struggling to put food on the table which accounts for anywhere between a 25 to 30% increase in the number of people receiving aid. It isn't that more people are going hungry and being put on food stamps it is that we finally recognized that working Americans were unable to provide basics for their families and President Obama took action to help mitigate that. The true fact is that over the past 2 years less people have been added to the food stamp rolls then average number of people added to the rolls under President Bush. This even is including the expanded number of people made eligible by President Obama. It also appears 2014 will be even better than 2012 or 2013 for the low number of people being added to the rolls. So your food stamp "point" does not hold up under factual analysis.

    Third, trillions added to the debt - Well thank we did or who knows where this country and world would be if he didn't increase the spending. The fact is, through no fault of his own, President Obama inherited the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and by any marker you want to give has led us out of the that crisis and made our economy stronger.

    Fourth, ignoring the Constitution...really. This is just a stupid argument. Every action he has taken has been well within is Constitutional powers including the your 9-0 overreach was just one ruling on whether or not he could appoint several people by bypassing the Senate. Something every President has done or tried to do since the Republic was founded. So spare me the overwrought rhetoric.

    Fifth, Obamacare...I don't even know why conservatives keep bringing this up. They should just be quiet as possible on this now because for all their nay saying it is working and working better than even the Administration thought. But lets just go anecdotally for a few minutes here. Every year since left the service and joined the private sector I have seen double digit increases in what I pay for health insurance. I was paying in 1998, the first year a I left the military, a total $28 per pay period for health insurance with no co-pay and no deductible. Within 13 years by 2011 I was paying $119 per pay period for health insurance with a $1000 deductible and $20 co-pay. Which equates, when all is said and done, to over a 500% increase in my out of pocket expenses on health care. Then comes Obamacare and for the first time in 2012 I seen no increase in my pay period deduction and only a $200 increase in my deductible which was more than made up for by the fact that all my preventative care is now 100% covered with no deductible and no co-pay. Low and behold 2013 comes around and I received no increase in per pay deduction and no increase in my deductible and my preventive care is still 100% covered which means for the first time my out of pocket expenses are actually reduced. Then comes 2014 open enrollment and what happens...my out of pocket DECREASES by $2 (not much I know but it actually DECREASED) with no increase in co-pay or deductible. So once again my out of pocket health costs have GONE DOWN yet AGAIN. If Obamacare is the end of Western Civilization then I say bring it on.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    The idiocy some people display just because the disagree with the President politically is astounding. That is why the right is such and effin joke right now. This is not a controversy nor should it be controversial. Trying to make it so makes you look foolish to say the least. My opinion has nothing to do with allegiance or anything else. It has to do with common sense. Again read the article the OP posted to make these asinine claims.

    The Obama Administration did hide these memoranda and in fact published them in multiple places even though it was unclear if they were legally required to.

    The memoranda were for obviously minor things that anyone (except those with Obama Derangement Syndrome apparently) can clearly tell by the subject matter and actions they are taking.

    The Obama Administration is using these memoranda as management tools in order to manage the executive department.

    To perpetuate any notion that this should be controversial or anything but what it is...proper governance...is just plain dumb and makes those doing it look foolish.
    Nice excuses. I imagine there are those quite pleased with the results of their indoctrination. Minions spewing memes is no doubt a glorious thing. At least you're doing something for them.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    To say otherwise is just complete nonsense.
    Or perhaps its a difference of opinion.

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    Re: Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or perhaps its a difference of opinion.
    Opinions have to have factual evidence and logic to back them up or they are complete nonsense.

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